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Tactical Military and Law-Enforcement Training Please do not post operational details of current or past missions that could compromise the people on the ground right now. This is not a forum for the discussion of current doctrine, but for the exchange of training ideas that will give US soldier

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Old 04-20-2008, 09:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 04-20-2008, 10:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'll grant you that there are a fair number of "Jessica Lynch's" (whose idiocy fundamentally altered the Army's training philosophy) out there but the average soldier isn't to blame, the weapon is.

I would challenge anyone to take an M4 out of the armory, clean it, and run 500 rounds of military ball through it during a live fire exercise in either of our current AO's including low crawls, 3 to 5 second rushes, etc. without having to clear a malfunction.

The HK416 is a better choice especially in light of the current and likely future AO's.
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Old 04-20-2008, 11:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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what about the HK G3 ? when i use the G3 in Battlefield2 multiplayer, i usually get pretty decent scores as it seems to be more powerful than most of the other rifles in the game and is pretty accurate at long distances.

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look, the G3 is a great rifle. even the north hollywood bank robbers were packing a G3 rifle.


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Bank robbers and soldiers have different needs. Look up piston driven weapons, I'm sure the video games don't explain those little details for the kiddies.
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what about the fn2000??

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Bank robbers and soldiers have different needs. Look up piston driven weapons, I'm sure the video games don't explain those little details for the kiddies.
tell us about it. what you think of the g3 ??

do you think the hollywood bank robbers could have caused greater problems for police and swat had they known how to use the G3 properly???

i dont know much about guns, but wasnt the g3 made to stop infantry assaults??
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tell us about it. what you think of the g3 ??

do you think the hollywood bank robbers could have caused greater problems for police and swat had they known how to use the G3 properly???

i dont know much about guns, but wasnt the g3 made to stop infantry assaults??
Delta has been using the 416 since 2004 and are happy with it. As for whether understanding the proper use of a weapon increases your ability to use it, DUH. Only a stoned MMA proponent would ask a question like that.

Why ask me what its intended use was, put the bong down, close the video game and do some research.
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Why ask me what its intended use was, put the bong down, close the video game and do some research.
i looked around, couldnt find anything that great, hoped you could shed some light on the rifle.

plus why are you telling me to put the bong down, you told me yourself you are a big pothead.
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i looked around, couldnt find anything that great, hoped you could shed some light on the rifle.
I think you're too stoned to use the search engine.

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thanks, but that website wasnt really that great.
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What do you expect, a site that sends you one to play with?
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