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TTEscrima

I'll grant you that there are a fair number of "Jessica Lynch's" (whose idiocy fundamentally altered the Army's training philosophy) out there but the average soldier isn't to blame, the weapon is.

I would challenge anyone to take an M4 out of the armory, clean it, and run 500 rounds of military ball through it during a live fire exercise in either of our current AO's including low crawls, 3 to 5 second rushes, etc. without having to clear a malfunction.

The HK416 is a better choice especially in light of the current and likely future AO's.

DickHardman

what about the HK G3 ? when i use the G3 in Battlefield2 multiplayer, i usually get pretty decent scores as it seems to be more powerful than most of the other rifles in the game and is pretty accurate at long distances.

TTEscrima

Is this guy for real?

Tom Yum

He's probably high as we speak.

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DickHardman

look, the G3 is a great rifle. even the north hollywood bank robbers were packing a G3 rifle.

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TTEscrima

Bank robbers and soldiers have different needs. Look up piston driven weapons, I'm sure the video games don't explain those little details for the kiddies.

Mike Brewer

The new Sig 556 is also a great weapon, and would be very very easy to convert to something on the order of the 6.8mm Special round. The functions are virtually the same as the M4, but with major differences in the internal workings. The Sig Sauer rifle is very, very accurate, and only marginally heavier than the M4. It also comes in a variety of configurations for all sorts of mission.

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The action and firing mechanisms are more solid, less prone to failure, and more suited to dirty, nasty environments. The only downside is that you need a tool to take it apart and really clean it well. I'm not sure if that's something they could fix, but small tools tend not to last long in the field. It's why machine gunners are forever buying and trading for their very own headspace and timing gauges. The ones that come with the guns tend to wander off.

The rifle has a pistol grip that looks like it came right off a SAW, and the buffer assembly is all internal. The stock can be collapsible or it can fold up on the side of the gun, because there's no recoil spring extending back into the stock. That makes it really well suited to airborne operations and close in urban fighting. It also uses standard issue NATO magazines, so there's no cost for conversion there either. If they made it in 6.8 mm SPC, for example, the gun would be a real show-stopper, using bullets that are roughly double the current weight with the same magazines and only a 2 round difference in capacity.

Also, it's a piston driven action, so the likelihood of failures based on gas tube clogging and whatnot are nowhere near as prevalent as with the M4.

I wouldn't bet on seeing this though. The military is far too invested in this creature - which also solves about as many problems as it creates.

Objective Individual Combat Weapon (OICW)

I'd like to see them dump the 5.56 and go to 6.8 with this one too, since it's still being developed. No sense waiting until it's done and then having to retrofit everything. Do it before they hit mass production.

DickHardman

what about the fn2000??

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DickHardman

tell us about it. what you think of the g3 ??

do you think the hollywood bank robbers could have caused greater problems for police and swat had they known how to use the G3 properly???

i dont know much about guns, but wasnt the g3 made to stop infantry assaults??

TTEscrima

Delta has been using the 416 since 2004 and are happy with it. As for whether understanding the proper use of a weapon increases your ability to use it, DUH. Only a stoned MMA proponent would ask a question like that.

Why ask me what its intended use was, put the bong down, close the video game and do some research.

DickHardman

i looked around, couldnt find anything that great, hoped you could shed some light on the rifle.

plus why are you telling me to put the bong down, you told me yourself you are a big pothead.

TTEscrima

I think you're too stoned to use the search engine.

HKPRO:* The G3

DickHardman

thanks, but that website wasnt really that great.