Thaiboxing and Lowkick-Kickboxing are great but...

Maxetai · 11-12-2003, 06:03 AM

Those shorts have to go!

There are two main reasons why I say this:

1: It's a matter of good hygiene (being sanitary). By wearing shorts and striking each others legs as hard as they do in Thai Boxing/LKKickboxing, there is a big risk of infection. When the legs of opponents strike against each other-especially the shins-they tend to bruise and even cut at times. This is an open invitation to many types of infections. This is quite common in these athletes. I work out and spar with many Thai/LK Kickboxers and have seen it on many of occasion. I always wear long work out trousers (like in Full Contact Karate/ Kung Fu etc...) and have never had any problems.
Perhaps someone can tell us what happened to the Dutch Thai Boxer Rob Kaman (spelling might be wrong). He got infected like that and since has major health problem since he can't get rid of a certain bacteria that he "picked up" from another fighter. This could have been avoided if the fighter were wearing long trousers.

2: Wearing a short pants is so ...ugly! For lack of a better term. It's in bad taste for most people. Anti-aesthetic.
Please don't misunderstand me, there is no sexual connotation to what I'm saying and for your information I'm not gay and I have nothing against gays, but watching two men kicking with shorts on is really not a "pretty" sight.
Why the shorts? Is it Thai culture? The climatic conditions in Thailand? Tradition?

I honestly think that if the Thai/LK Kickboxers wear long trousers, the sport would be more successful and more people might want to try it, but more importantly it will be safer for the participants.

Express your views on this and please refrain from silly comments. Thank you.

sslinky · 11-12-2003, 06:42 AM

You have a fair point regarding infection etc. - although I would say fighters more often get cut on the face, then rub heads etc in the clinch so although long trousers might help, I don't know if they would make that much difference?

As for asthetics, I much prefer shorts - long trousers are proper 70's kung fu style! All you need is a big afro... Shorts look sound - if you've got a good pair of legs.

Shorts are also cooler (in temperature), which is a big plus.

Khun Kao · 11-12-2003, 09:24 AM

PUT THE CRACK PIPE DOWN!

STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD!

SLOWLY.... SLOWLY...

[\sarcasm]

Where did you get this bunk? I have NEVER experienced this. I have NEVER heard of this. I have been Thai boxing for TWELVE YEARS and what you are saying is NEWS TO ME!

Don't get me wrong, I'll definately ask around about it because you have now sparked my interest, but I've trained with a number of Thai coaches and Thai boxers, and this has never once been an issue. This has never happened to me, and I have never seen any of my coaches, students, training partners, or fellow boxers with this problem.

Khun Kao

sslinky · 11-12-2003, 10:20 AM

It's not really "bunk" though is it? I've seen fighters cut their shins while fighting, and it both parties do it and exchange blood then there is a clear risk of infection. However probably no more risk than in your average boxing match.

jubaji · 11-12-2003, 03:36 PM

This thread does not exactly reek of the 'warrior spirit' does it?

-"Oh, careful there Derrick. You've got a nick on your ankle. Could spread a nasty infection, it could."
-"By Jove your right, Peter. Why, I must thank you for your timely advisory. I shall apply an antibiotic salve right away."

Maxetai · 11-12-2003, 06:01 PM

All I can say is that when I was living in the States (Philadelphia-South Jersey area), there was one case where one person got infected on the legs (shin to be more precise).
I am currently living in Greece (4 years now) and have witnessed two such incidents during my stay here so far.
Luckily for the people involved, anti-biotics helped and to the best of my knowledge, they are fine.
I will not name the schools or exact location of where this happened because I could easily be liable for slander and get involved in litigation. I don't want that! Besides it wasn't the fault of those particular schools; this can happen anywhere, and it would be unfair to mention them. You don't have to believe me. No problem on my part, but the people that got infected learned to take off the shorts and put on good old fashion long trousers on and wear foot pads or indoor athletic shoes.

Khun Kao · 11-12-2003, 09:49 PM

I've had my share of cuts and tears on my legs. I have had my feet sliced open on my sparring partners tonails. I have NEVER had an infection of ANY kind.

The worst martial arts related "infection" I have ever had was Athletes Foot. Or the few instances where I've caught a cold off of a training partner.

I'm sure that we all appreciate your warnings, but I'll just keep training my way, thank you very much.

Khun Kao

Damian Mavis · 11-13-2003, 02:25 AM

Jabaji, YOU DA MAN !!! hahaha

Oh man, if a little infection is my biggest worry when fighting in Thailand WOOHOO! Something tells me I'll be too concerned with the whole possibility of oh I don't know.... something like.... DYING!

Damn I got some weird rash on my crotch the second I stepped off the plane in Thailand.... stuff like that is gonna happen for all kinds of reasons.

And ya, it's bloody hot in Thailand, you can keep your pants.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

sslinky · 11-13-2003, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Damian Mavis
Jabaji, YOU DA MAN !!! hahaha

Oh man, if a little infection is my biggest worry when fighting in Thailand WOOHOO! Something tells me I'll be too concerned with the whole possibility of oh I don't know.... something like.... DYING!

right.
so you can't die from AIDS or hepatitis then?

Maxetai · 11-13-2003, 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Damian Mavis

And ya, it's bloody hot in Thailand, you can keep your pants.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

So Damian, you only Thaibox in Thailand when it gets real hot?
I guess when you are back home you have the heat on even in the summer to simulate the hot Thai weather so you can wear your shorts all year long. ...O-kay.

swan104 · 11-13-2003, 06:43 AM

I think there a certain amount of risk in anything you do that involves contact of some sort. I'm not disagreeing that there is a chance that an infection can occur from bodily contact, but if we were to get paranoid about the whole thing, then we'll all be training in body suits that resemble gimp outfits!

Or, we could all go for a "Game of Death" yellow tracksuit!

I did get an infection on my arm, possibly from the gym, but the doctor prescribed a cream for me, and it disappeared after a few days.

sslinky · 11-13-2003, 07:46 AM

Yeah, you're right - I "guess" the risk is actually very small, and of course we can't start fighting in rubber gimp suits, although yellow tracksuits...

I just don't see why some people seem to think that it's hilarious to acknolwedge it. jubaji and Damian appear to naively think that the worst infection it is possible to catch is one that will cause a small red rash. Apparently the myriad of lethal deseases that could be caught in such a way, seems to have simply escaped their notice. Or perhaps as Khun Kao pointed out, it has never happend to him, and therefore it must clearly be impossible.

Numerous professional boxers have had their careers ended because they have tested positive for HIV. They are prevented from fighting because of the risk they pose to their opponents. Just look up "hiv boxing" on google and you will find various accounts of this. And these are just the people who fight at a high enough level that they are required to take HIV tests to be allowed to compete. The fighters whome this has affected are not laughing, and neither are their previous opponents who have consequently had to be tested too.

Anyway, enough said from me - it's a bit of a morbid thread really!

Khun Kao · 11-13-2003, 10:48 AM

sslinky...

At no point did I ever say it was impossible. What I am saying is that in 12+ years, I have never encountered it and I merely believe that it is highly unlikely.

In all seriousness, you can't tell me that we are not all aware of the spread of ringworm amongst BJJ players. It is very possible for something similar to occur between Muay Thai practitioners as well. But again, I have never encountered it and think that it is highly unlikely to occur.

Khun Kao

jubaji · 11-13-2003, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sslinky
jubaji and Damian appear to naively think that the worst infection it is possible to catch is one that will cause a small red rash. Apparently the myriad of lethal deseases that could be caught in such a way, seems to have simply escaped their notice.

Back to your bubble, boy!

sslinky · 11-13-2003, 11:28 AM

you might actually be funny, if you had a valid point to make

11-12-2003, 06:03 AM	#1 (permalink)
Maxetai Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Thessaloniki, Greece Posts: 151 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thaiboxing and Lowkick-Kickboxing are great but... Those shorts have to go! There are two main reasons why I say this: 1: It's a matter of good hygiene (being sanitary). By wearing shorts and striking each others legs as hard as they do in Thai Boxing/LKKickboxing, there is a big risk of infection. When the legs of opponents strike against each other-especially the shins-they tend to bruise and even cut at times. This is an open invitation to many types of infections. This is quite common in these athletes. I work out and spar with many Thai/LK Kickboxers and have seen it on many of occasion. I always wear long work out trousers (like in Full Contact Karate/ Kung Fu etc...) and have never had any problems. Perhaps someone can tell us what happened to the Dutch Thai Boxer Rob Kaman (spelling might be wrong). He got infected like that and since has major health problem since he can't get rid of a certain bacteria that he "picked up" from another fighter. This could have been avoided if the fighter were wearing long trousers. 2: Wearing a short pants is so ...ugly! For lack of a better term. It's in bad taste for most people. Anti-aesthetic. Please don't misunderstand me, there is no sexual connotation to what I'm saying and for your information I'm not gay and I have nothing against gays, but watching two men kicking with shorts on is really not a "pretty" sight. Why the shorts? Is it Thai culture? The climatic conditions in Thailand? Tradition? I honestly think that if the Thai/LK Kickboxers wear long trousers, the sport would be more successful and more people might want to try it, but more importantly it will be safer for the participants. Express your views on this and please refrain from silly comments. Thank you.

11-12-2003, 09:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
Khun Kao Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 847 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	PUT THE CRACK PIPE DOWN! STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD! SLOWLY.... SLOWLY... [\sarcasm] Where did you get this bunk? I have NEVER experienced this. I have NEVER heard of this. I have been Thai boxing for TWELVE YEARS and what you are saying is NEWS TO ME! Don't get me wrong, I'll definately ask around about it because you have now sparked my interest, but I've trained with a number of Thai coaches and Thai boxers, and this has never once been an issue. This has never happened to me, and I have never seen any of my coaches, students, training partners, or fellow boxers with this problem. Khun Kao __________________ Kru Brooks C. Miller GCA MuayThai Board of Advisors USMTA Director of DC, MD, and VA http://khunkao.com/

11-12-2003, 03:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
jubaji Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: koko Posts: 8,794 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	This thread does not exactly reek of the 'warrior spirit' does it? -"Oh, careful there Derrick. You've got a nick on your ankle. Could spread a nasty infection, it could." -"By Jove your right, Peter. Why, I must thank you for your timely advisory. I shall apply an antibiotic salve right away." __________________ Optional signature you may use to appear at bottom of your posts.

11-12-2003, 09:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
Khun Kao Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 847 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I've had my share of cuts and tears on my legs. I have had my feet sliced open on my sparring partners tonails. I have NEVER had an infection of ANY kind. The worst martial arts related "infection" I have ever had was Athletes Foot. Or the few instances where I've caught a cold off of a training partner. I'm sure that we all appreciate your warnings, but I'll just keep training my way, thank you very much. Khun Kao __________________ Kru Brooks C. Miller GCA MuayThai Board of Advisors USMTA Director of DC, MD, and VA http://khunkao.com/

11-13-2003, 06:43 AM	#11 (permalink)
swan104 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Stoke-on-Trent/England Posts: 410 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think there a certain amount of risk in anything you do that involves contact of some sort. I'm not disagreeing that there is a chance that an infection can occur from bodily contact, but if we were to get paranoid about the whole thing, then we'll all be training in body suits that resemble gimp outfits! Or, we could all go for a "Game of Death" yellow tracksuit! I did get an infection on my arm, possibly from the gym, but the doctor prescribed a cream for me, and it disappeared after a few days. __________________ Steven

11-12-2003, 06:42 AM	#2 (permalink)
sslinky Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 63 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	You have a fair point regarding infection etc. - although I would say fighters more often get cut on the face, then rub heads etc in the clinch so although long trousers might help, I don't know if they would make that much difference? As for asthetics, I much prefer shorts - long trousers are proper 70's kung fu style! All you need is a big afro... Shorts look sound - if you've got a good pair of legs. Shorts are also cooler (in temperature), which is a big plus.

11-12-2003, 10:20 AM	#4 (permalink)
sslinky Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 63 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	It's not really "bunk" though is it? I've seen fighters cut their shins while fighting, and it both parties do it and exchange blood then there is a clear risk of infection. However probably no more risk than in your average boxing match.

11-12-2003, 06:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
Maxetai Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Thessaloniki, Greece Posts: 151 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	All I can say is that when I was living in the States (Philadelphia-South Jersey area), there was one case where one person got infected on the legs (shin to be more precise). I am currently living in Greece (4 years now) and have witnessed two such incidents during my stay here so far. Luckily for the people involved, anti-biotics helped and to the best of my knowledge, they are fine. I will not name the schools or exact location of where this happened because I could easily be liable for slander and get involved in litigation. I don't want that! Besides it wasn't the fault of those particular schools; this can happen anywhere, and it would be unfair to mention them. You don't have to believe me. No problem on my part, but the people that got infected learned to take off the shorts and put on good old fashion long trousers on and wear foot pads or indoor athletic shoes.

11-13-2003, 02:25 AM	#8 (permalink)
Damian Mavis Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 669 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jabaji, YOU DA MAN !!! hahaha Oh man, if a little infection is my biggest worry when fighting in Thailand WOOHOO! Something tells me I'll be too concerned with the whole possibility of oh I don't know.... something like.... DYING! Damn I got some weird rash on my crotch the second I stepped off the plane in Thailand.... stuff like that is gonna happen for all kinds of reasons. And ya, it's bloody hot in Thailand, you can keep your pants. Damian Mavis Honour TKD

11-13-2003, 07:46 AM	#12 (permalink)
sslinky Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 63 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yeah, you're right - I "guess" the risk is actually very small, and of course we can't start fighting in rubber gimp suits, although yellow tracksuits... I just don't see why some people seem to think that it's hilarious to acknolwedge it. jubaji and Damian appear to naively think that the worst infection it is possible to catch is one that will cause a small red rash. Apparently the myriad of lethal deseases that could be caught in such a way, seems to have simply escaped their notice. Or perhaps as Khun Kao pointed out, it has never happend to him, and therefore it must clearly be impossible. Numerous professional boxers have had their careers ended because they have tested positive for HIV. They are prevented from fighting because of the risk they pose to their opponents. Just look up "hiv boxing" on google and you will find various accounts of this. And these are just the people who fight at a high enough level that they are required to take HIV tests to be allowed to compete. The fighters whome this has affected are not laughing, and neither are their previous opponents who have consequently had to be tested too. Anyway, enough said from me - it's a bit of a morbid thread really!

11-13-2003, 10:48 AM	#13 (permalink)
Khun Kao Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 847 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	sslinky... At no point did I ever say it was impossible. What I am saying is that in 12+ years, I have never encountered it and I merely believe that it is highly unlikely. In all seriousness, you can't tell me that we are not all aware of the spread of ringworm amongst BJJ players. It is very possible for something similar to occur between Muay Thai practitioners as well. But again, I have never encountered it and think that it is highly unlikely to occur. Khun Kao __________________ Kru Brooks C. Miller GCA MuayThai Board of Advisors USMTA Director of DC, MD, and VA http://khunkao.com/

11-13-2003, 11:28 AM	#15 (permalink)
sslinky Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 63 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	you might actually be funny, if you had a valid point to make

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