Kickboxing Punches Borrowed From Boxing

fo2sh · 12-09-2003, 07:14 AM

i have a question that i need u guys to answer it................ARE THE PUNCHES IN KICKBOXING EXACTLY THE SAME AS IN BOXING?...........coz if it is so , i think i will take boxing lessons for a couple of month then move to kickboxing for the rest of my life........or i could just do kickboxing without boxing????????? what do u think is better?.......... and another thing ARE BOXING GLOVES THE SAME AS KICKBOXING ONES?????????

Strepto · 12-09-2003, 11:28 AM

-ARE THE PUNCHES IN KICKBOXING EXACTLY THE SAME AS IN BOXING?.
Yes

-i could just do kickboxing without boxing??????
Yes

-what do u think is better?
Kickboxing and BJJ for the rest of your life

-ARE BOXING GLOVES THE SAME AS KICKBOXING ONES???
Yes

shadowkiller · 12-09-2003, 12:21 PM

for #3 I would say MT and BJJ for the rest of your life. But then you need some clinch skills.

fo2sh · 12-09-2003, 02:13 PM

thank u guys, i think i will go for boxing for a month to strengthen my punch then continue with kickoxing

Khun Kao · 12-09-2003, 02:29 PM

The punches in Muay Thai are NOT always the same as the ones used in Boxing.

In Muay Thai, the stance used typically features having the weight a little more towards the rear than the front foot. In boxing, the weight is usually evenly distributed, occassionally with more weight to the front on certain punches.

In Muay Thai, many punches are thrown from the shoulder, as opposed to the body. This has defensive advantage to it, because if you were to put your entire body into your punches as a Boxer would, you are going to be fed a diet of knees and kicks.

In Muay Thai, you are not limited to hitting with the padded knuckle portion of the glove. Quite simply, you can strike with any part of your entire arm. You are not limited to striking with just the front of the knuckles of your fist. We train to strike with the heel of the hand, back of the hand, bottom of the fist, wrist, and forearm (and elbows, too!) as these areas are not equally padded by the glove, if there is any padding at all.

But, even with all of the above, you will not be doing yourself any disservice by taking up Boxing. Boxing will teach you how to move your head and your feet. But if taking up a style of Kickboxing is your ultimate goal, just bear in mind that much of what you learn in the Boxing gym will have to be "modified" or "adjusted" to be strategically sound for Kickboxing.

What style of Kickboxing were you looking into? Muay Thai, San Shou, Full Contact Kickboxing, Shootfighting, Savate, Pankration...?

Tom Yum · 12-09-2003, 03:19 PM

Very true Khun Khao. I've had knees graze my head, when I try to box against muay thai fighters and found it easy to clinch and knee when a boxer bobs and weaves alot. The only adjustment is to slip punches or jerk the head back like Ali when sparring in muay thai or kickboxing.

I saw a fight with Peter Cunningham against a thaiboxer from Thailand. They traded pretty evenly for most of the match but at one point Cunningham worked the ring well and backed the Thai fighter into the corner and the rest of the fight was Cunningham throwing about 15 unanswered punches downstairs and upstairs until the Thai guy just slipped down the turnbuckle.

How did Cunningham do it? From what I remember, he faked a rear roundhouse kick which caused the Thai guy to lift his front leg and left arm to cover, but instead Cunningham threw an overhand or a cross which landed and then proceeded to get inside and throw a barrage of body and head hooks and uppercuts.

fo2sh · 12-09-2003, 04:31 PM

well KHUN KAO i dont really know what kind of kickboxing coz we only have one kind in EGYPT which is simply KICKBOXING,............. BUT TO TELL U THE TRUTH i think that i am gonna be better at boxing coz i like it more and i really wanna be like ali, i think he is the greatest, and i also think that boxing is gonna be better at streetfights coz u put all ur power in the punch so it becomes devastating........... anyway; my question about the similarity was coz i wanted to if i took boxing and then someday i wanted to switch to kickboxing, would it be possible? i mean is kickboxing exactly the same as boxing but with the addition of kicks??????????

Strepto · 12-09-2003, 04:40 PM

Quote:

i mean is kickboxing exactly the same as boxing but with the addition of kicks???

Well, not really cause with kickboxing you have to worry about getting hit by high kicks, low kicks, elbows, knees. The fighting range is different than just boxing. You might be the best boxer in the world but still get a beating when facing the best kickboxer in the world...

William Eriepa · 12-10-2003, 12:55 AM

I dunno about anywhere else, but the New Zealand Kickboxing Federation certainly doesn't allow elbows in tournaments, neither does K-1, mostly only Muay Thai uses elbows.

But boxing is definitly a great assest to have. Around here most kickboxers and kickboxing instructors come from a karate, taekwondo, or similar background, and aren't really specialists in how to box. I'm not saying they cant box, but they no way near have the hand skills of an experienced boxer.

I learnt alot from my first two lessons at a boxing gym. Firstly he showed me
how open I was to a knee when I performed my slip (unexpected from a boxer), a lesson I painfully learnt. He also showed me (uncomfortable but really tight) boxing stances, theres just alot you can learn from boxing.

Personally I have found that shorter guys benefit from better hands than feet in kickboxing since their the ones that normally make the effort to close the gap and get in close with their opponents, so if your shorter than most of the guys you fight then I would have to say go learn how to box.

fo2sh · 12-10-2003, 06:05 PM

i think i am gonna go with boxing for a month, kickboxng for two, then back to boxing for the rest of my days on this earth, that way i will be a good boxer with an experience with boxing

Khun Kao · 12-10-2003, 06:13 PM

"i mean is kickboxing exactly the same as boxing but with the addition of kicks??????????"

Sorry, I realize that I did not clearly state my answer, which is "NO" kickboxing is NOT the same as boxing with the addition of kicks.

Honestly, there are a lot of similarities, but there are as many, if not more, differences between the two sports. Many of us have outlined them for you.

In a nutshell though, just understand that the addition of kicking forces necessary changes to your positioning and footwork, body mechanics, and your strategy. There are a lot of things that you can and would do successfully in a boxing match that would get you SLAUGHTERED in a kickboxing match. But the same holds true the other way around. There are a lot of things that you would do in a kickboxing match that would get you ANNIHILATED in a boxing match.

If you think you like Boxing better, thats cool! Boxing is AWESOME and I love it almost as much as Muay Thai. I train with a badass boxing coach once or twice a week and he has really opened my eyes to all that you can do with just your hands! Boxing isn't called "the Sweet Science" for nothing, ya know...

But, if you have any desire to learn about fighting outside of the ring, I would recommend checking out the Kickboxing school. You may very well enjoy Boxing better and get more out of it, but Kickboxing offers a much more well-rounded skill set that can be applied outside of the ring.

And, if you're interested in knowing what style of Kickboxing is being taught, you can ask the instructor of the school. They should be able to tell you what style of Kickboxing they teach.

If you have the time, please post occassional reports on how your training is going. I'm sure that many of us here would like to hear about your training experiences. I know that I would.

Kob Khun Krab!

Brooks (Khun Kao)

fo2sh · 12-11-2003, 05:06 AM

well thank u very much khun, for clearing things up and making me feel comfort, i will be starting boxing on 1st february 2004, and will let u know everything that is going on and benefit from ur experience..... by the way which boxer do u think is the best one of all time

Khun Kao · 12-11-2003, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fo2sh

which boxer do u think is the best one of all time

Its too hard to choose, really. There are a LOT of great boxers to choose from. Right now, I would say that Bernard Hopkins is agruably one of the very, very best.

All time, I'm partial to Thomas "the Hitman" Hearns.

fo2sh · 12-11-2003, 03:51 PM

strange. i thought ali was the greatest of all time????????

Khun Kao · 12-12-2003, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fo2sh

strange. i thought ali was the greatest of all time????????

Ali was definately the greatest HEAVYWEIGHT of all time. But if memory serves me correctly, Hearns was a FOUR time champion in at least THREE weight classes. Heavyweights just get all the press, but quite often the lighter weights have better talent.

Not a knock on Ali. But I don't believe he was the greatest fighter of all time. I think he was ONE of the best, but not THE best. I'm not even sure if I would say the Hearns was THE best. Dunno, really. There are SO MANY good fighters to choose from....

Brooks (Khun Kao)

12-09-2003, 07:14 AM	#1 (permalink)
fo2sh Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 24 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Kickboxing Punches Borrowed From Boxing i have a question that i need u guys to answer it................ARE THE PUNCHES IN KICKBOXING EXACTLY THE SAME AS IN BOXING?...........coz if it is so , i think i will take boxing lessons for a couple of month then move to kickboxing for the rest of my life........or i could just do kickboxing without boxing????????? what do u think is better?.......... and another thing ARE BOXING GLOVES THE SAME AS KICKBOXING ONES?????????

12-09-2003, 02:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
fo2sh Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 24 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks thank u guys, i think i will go for boxing for a month to strengthen my punch then continue with kickoxing

12-09-2003, 02:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
Khun Kao Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 847 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	The punches in Muay Thai are NOT always the same as the ones used in Boxing. In Muay Thai, the stance used typically features having the weight a little more towards the rear than the front foot. In boxing, the weight is usually evenly distributed, occassionally with more weight to the front on certain punches. In Muay Thai, many punches are thrown from the shoulder, as opposed to the body. This has defensive advantage to it, because if you were to put your entire body into your punches as a Boxer would, you are going to be fed a diet of knees and kicks. In Muay Thai, you are not limited to hitting with the padded knuckle portion of the glove. Quite simply, you can strike with any part of your entire arm. You are not limited to striking with just the front of the knuckles of your fist. We train to strike with the heel of the hand, back of the hand, bottom of the fist, wrist, and forearm (and elbows, too!) as these areas are not equally padded by the glove, if there is any padding at all. But, even with all of the above, you will not be doing yourself any disservice by taking up Boxing. Boxing will teach you how to move your head and your feet. But if taking up a style of Kickboxing is your ultimate goal, just bear in mind that much of what you learn in the Boxing gym will have to be "modified" or "adjusted" to be strategically sound for Kickboxing. What style of Kickboxing were you looking into? Muay Thai, San Shou, Full Contact Kickboxing, Shootfighting, Savate, Pankration...? __________________ Kru Brooks C. Miller GCA MuayThai Board of Advisors USMTA Director of DC, MD, and VA http://khunkao.com/

12-09-2003, 03:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,307 Groans: 1 Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts	Very true Khun Khao. I've had knees graze my head, when I try to box against muay thai fighters and found it easy to clinch and knee when a boxer bobs and weaves alot. The only adjustment is to slip punches or jerk the head back like Ali when sparring in muay thai or kickboxing. I saw a fight with Peter Cunningham against a thaiboxer from Thailand. They traded pretty evenly for most of the match but at one point Cunningham worked the ring well and backed the Thai fighter into the corner and the rest of the fight was Cunningham throwing about 15 unanswered punches downstairs and upstairs until the Thai guy just slipped down the turnbuckle. How did Cunningham do it? From what I remember, he faked a rear roundhouse kick which caused the Thai guy to lift his front leg and left arm to cover, but instead Cunningham threw an overhand or a cross which landed and then proceeded to get inside and throw a barrage of body and head hooks and uppercuts. __________________ Love it, leave it or fix it.

12-09-2003, 04:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
fo2sh Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 24 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	hmmmm well KHUN KAO i dont really know what kind of kickboxing coz we only have one kind in EGYPT which is simply KICKBOXING,............. BUT TO TELL U THE TRUTH i think that i am gonna be better at boxing coz i like it more and i really wanna be like ali, i think he is the greatest, and i also think that boxing is gonna be better at streetfights coz u put all ur power in the punch so it becomes devastating........... anyway; my question about the similarity was coz i wanted to if i took boxing and then someday i wanted to switch to kickboxing, would it be possible? i mean is kickboxing exactly the same as boxing but with the addition of kicks??????????

12-09-2003, 11:28 AM	#2 (permalink)
Strepto Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 86 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	-ARE THE PUNCHES IN KICKBOXING EXACTLY THE SAME AS IN BOXING?. Yes -i could just do kickboxing without boxing?????? Yes -what do u think is better? Kickboxing and BJJ for the rest of your life -ARE BOXING GLOVES THE SAME AS KICKBOXING ONES??? Yes

12-09-2003, 12:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
shadowkiller Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Barrie, Ontario Posts: 424 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	for #3 I would say MT and BJJ for the rest of your life. But then you need some clinch skills.

12-10-2003, 12:55 AM	#9 (permalink)
William Eriepa Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ngaruawahia, New Zealand Posts: 77 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I dunno about anywhere else, but the New Zealand Kickboxing Federation certainly doesn't allow elbows in tournaments, neither does K-1, mostly only Muay Thai uses elbows. But boxing is definitly a great assest to have. Around here most kickboxers and kickboxing instructors come from a karate, taekwondo, or similar background, and aren't really specialists in how to box. I'm not saying they cant box, but they no way near have the hand skills of an experienced boxer. I learnt alot from my first two lessons at a boxing gym. Firstly he showed me how open I was to a knee when I performed my slip (unexpected from a boxer), a lesson I painfully learnt. He also showed me (uncomfortable but really tight) boxing stances, theres just alot you can learn from boxing. Personally I have found that shorter guys benefit from better hands than feet in kickboxing since their the ones that normally make the effort to close the gap and get in close with their opponents, so if your shorter than most of the guys you fight then I would have to say go learn how to box.

12-10-2003, 06:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
fo2sh Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 24 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	i think i am gonna go with boxing for a month, kickboxng for two, then back to boxing for the rest of my days on this earth, that way i will be a good boxer with an experience with boxing

12-10-2003, 06:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
Khun Kao Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 847 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	"i mean is kickboxing exactly the same as boxing but with the addition of kicks??????????" Sorry, I realize that I did not clearly state my answer, which is "NO" kickboxing is NOT the same as boxing with the addition of kicks. Honestly, there are a lot of similarities, but there are as many, if not more, differences between the two sports. Many of us have outlined them for you. In a nutshell though, just understand that the addition of kicking forces necessary changes to your positioning and footwork, body mechanics, and your strategy. There are a lot of things that you can and would do successfully in a boxing match that would get you SLAUGHTERED in a kickboxing match. But the same holds true the other way around. There are a lot of things that you would do in a kickboxing match that would get you ANNIHILATED in a boxing match. If you think you like Boxing better, thats cool! Boxing is AWESOME and I love it almost as much as Muay Thai. I train with a badass boxing coach once or twice a week and he has really opened my eyes to all that you can do with just your hands! Boxing isn't called "the Sweet Science" for nothing, ya know... But, if you have any desire to learn about fighting outside of the ring, I would recommend checking out the Kickboxing school. You may very well enjoy Boxing better and get more out of it, but Kickboxing offers a much more well-rounded skill set that can be applied outside of the ring. And, if you're interested in knowing what style of Kickboxing is being taught, you can ask the instructor of the school. They should be able to tell you what style of Kickboxing they teach. If you have the time, please post occassional reports on how your training is going. I'm sure that many of us here would like to hear about your training experiences. I know that I would. Kob Khun Krab! Brooks (Khun Kao) __________________ Kru Brooks C. Miller GCA MuayThai Board of Advisors USMTA Director of DC, MD, and VA http://khunkao.com/

12-11-2003, 05:06 AM	#12 (permalink)
fo2sh Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 24 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	khun kao well thank u very much khun, for clearing things up and making me feel comfort, i will be starting boxing on 1st february 2004, and will let u know everything that is going on and benefit from ur experience..... by the way which boxer do u think is the best one of all time

12-11-2003, 03:51 PM	#14 (permalink)
fo2sh Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 24 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	strange. i thought ali was the greatest of all time????????

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