Thai Boxing in JKD by Paul Vunak

Rudolphuss · 01-01-2004, 04:04 PM

Here's a great article which I really enjoyed, although I have a little question. Guys, what's a thigh kick? Is it a round kick to the thigh? Sorry for sounding like a newb, but does anyone have a picture depicting a thigh kick?

http://www.martialarts.com/martial-a...boxing_jkd.htm

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Thai Boxing in JKD

By Paul Vunak

In order to understand where Thai boxing fits into the puzzle that is known as jeet kune do, we must first understand a little about the process by which JKD evolved. The operative word here is "process." To quote Dan Inosanto, "JKD is not about the product, but about the process." When Bruce Lee first came to America, he quickly observed how much larger and stronger the average American was compared to the average Chinese. This was the original impetus that caused Lee to start the process of modifying his mother art of wing chun. Between 1964 and 1973 Lee, with the assistance of Dan Inosanto, dissected every fighting art that the two could discover and selected elements that formed the foundation of what would eventually be called jeet kune do. Not every aspect of every art was included, of course.

In certain cases, only training methods or combat theory were extracted. This is the case with Western foil fencing, which lent its concept of the "stop hit" (or interception) to JKD's combat philosophy and, indeed, to JKD's very name (Way of the Intercepting Fist). All systems of martial art have their strong and weak points. Bruce Lee observed that, "There is a range in which Western boxing will counter any kicking art; there is a range in which wing chun will counter boxing; there is a range where tai chi will counter wing chun; and there is a range where grappling will counter tai chi." In short, Lee chose elements from the selected arts to give his students an integrated framework that would prepare them to fight any opponent at any range. Those who witnessed Lee at any of his closed-door sparring sessions saw this principle in action. Limited by the vocabulary of their time, these witnesses were never able to find a label for Lee. Sometimes he would dance and shuffle at long range – boxing with his lead foot and hitting the opponent at previously unknown angles, like an experienced savate man. But if the opponent countered, Lee would bob and weave and throw body shots like a professional boxer. Upon being blocked by the opponent, he would shift into wing chun's chun choy (straight blast), trapping any obstruction, pummeling with a flurry of elbows, knees, or head butts, and ending the encounter with a foot sweep or throw. All of these difficult elements would appear in a "match" that lasted just ten seconds! Before his death, Lee, along with Inosanto, had been investigating muay Thai extensively. After Lee's death, Dan continued the research with the help of Chai Sirisute. We currently find three elements of Thai boxing to be most useful in JKD.

The Thigh Kick
The thigh kick used by Thai boxers is perhaps the most formidable kick on the planet. Thai boxers rely on their thigh kick much like a Western boxer relies on his jab. One might say that this kick is the hub of their wheel.

Back in the late ‘60s and early ‘70s, low stances were very common – martial artists of the time strongly favored stability over agility. This facilitated Bruce Lee's use of the jeet tek (sidekick) to the knee to intercept his opponent. Nowadays, we see boxing footwork more often than low stances. This makes the knee a much more difficult target to hit with a side kick. Therefore, many modern JKD practitioners also use the thigh kick as a tool to intercept.

As we look at 90 percent of today's no-holds-barred contests, we see that the thigh kick is predominant among winning fighters. For example, one of the most highly acclaimed fights in the Ultimate Fighting Championship's history was the bout between Maurice Smith and Mark Coleman. Maurice Smith literally controlled the fight using the thigh kick. Another example of the use of the thigh kick was the fight between Marco Ruas and Paul "Polar Bear" Varelans. Again, the thigh kick was the pivotal weapon, allowing Ruas to control the distance and cadence of the entire match. These are just two examples (of many) of how potent this weapon really is. To truly appreciate the power of the muay Thai thigh kick, you simply must be on the receiving end of one! Many good Thai boxers double up their kicks, executing two in a row. Landing multiple thigh kicks in quick succession on the same area of the body is nauseatingly painful. In short, if you have not already incorporated this kick into your arsenal, start now!

The Thai Boxing Mindset
When I think of a Thai boxer, one thing comes to mind immediately: hard core! These are some of the toughest people on Earth. Bruce Lee incorporated the very same mentality into his trapping. Any martial artist can take any aspect of his or her art and use the Thai boxer's mindset to "hardcore" their particular art. For example, anyone can put on a set of boxing gloves, poke shots at a partner, and call that boxing. But if one truly wanted to "hardcore" his punches, he would find a boxing gym and get in with an actual pro. The training regimen of a pro (i.e. stamina, heavy-bag workouts, weight training, and sparring sessions) is completely different from that of an amateur boxer.

It's one thing to roll around on the mat and practice arm locks, triangles, and chokes. However, if you were to go to Brazil and train for the Pan Am Games, then you'd be able to experience the hardcore side of jiu-jitsu and appreciate it at an entirely different level! Many people like to practice various trapping techniques working from reference points only (or training exclusively on the wooden dummy). If these very same people go to a professional boxing gym and recruit a pro boxer, put a motorcycle helmet on him, and then spar full-contact while they try to apply their trapping techniques, this would be an example of a wing chun person applying the muay Thai hardcore mentality. In the world of stick fighting, many people train themselves only – singly doing various drills and disarms. These people could use the Thai boxing mentality to "hardcore" their training by incorporating the use of lead pipes or heavy sticks in their drills, and by sparring full contact.

To a jeet kune do practitioner, the Thai boxing mindset provides a way to inject realism into his or her training. It is not enough to simply practice the same drills day-after-day. When a martial artist knows that he can go all out, take some punishment, and keep going, it does a lot for his survival mentality. Anyone can benefit immensely from watching a good Thai boxing match; however, this mentality is one attribute that is best learned by experience. There are many great Thai boxers in the world – I highly recommend investing the time, money, and courage to go and actually train at one of the many Thai camps. If you think boot camp was tough, try a Thai camp!

The Clinch
Being on the receiving end of a flurry of savate kicks is a very intimidating prospect. Having a barrage of punches thrown at you by a professional boxer is equally intimidating. Being stuck on the ground, in the guard of a black belt Brazilian jiu-jitsu stylist, knowing that you are seconds away from being put into an arm lock, triangle choke, or sweep, is downright humiliating. However, being in the grasp of a professional Thai boxer in clinch position is nothing less than sickening! You can't go forward, you can't go backward, you have no balance or base; and to make matters worse, you are being assaulted by two of the most barbaric tools on Earth – elbows and knees. For the truly masochistic martial artist, this is the coup de grace. It is not recommended for the faint of heart! For a JKD stylist, the Thai boxing clinch is the most natural position to end up in following the infamous straight blast. From the clinch, he can execute tactics such as elbows, head butts, and knees, or take an opponent to the ground if desired.

In closing, as we look back some 30 years, it is obvious that Bruce Lee and Dan Inosanto were the pioneers of modern martial arts. They understood then, what the world is seeing now – no one art, theology, or philosophy has it all. No race or culture has a monopoly on the truth. We can truly see that today's martial artists are harvesting knowledge from seeds that were planted by Bruce Lee and Dan Inosanto. As each year passes, people are becoming more open-minded and more eclectic; more willing to live by the concept of "Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is specifically your own." In following this adage, it's quite apparent that Thai boxing offers a wealth of techniques both for JKD stylists, and martial artists of all systems, to absorb and benefit from.

Paul Vunak is a certified Full Instructor of Jeet Kune Do and the Filipino Martial Arts under Dan Inosanto and is the president and head instructor of Progressive Fighting Systems. He can be contacted by phone at (949) 248-8999, or via his Web site at http://www.fighting.net/

William Eriepa · 01-01-2004, 05:04 PM

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Is it a round kick to the thigh

It is a round kick to the thigh

Tom Yum · 01-01-2004, 05:08 PM

Nice link. The thigh kick is a Thai-style round house kick thrown into the thigh of your opponent. The kick is not snapped, like TKD roundhouse (allthough a snapping roundhouse kick with the ball of the foot aimed to the thigh is good too). The kicking leg is kept allmost straight and uses the hip to drive momentum and body weight through the kick and lands with the shin smashing its target (thigh, rib cage, neck, head).

Some good fights that use the thigh kick:

UFC 15: Mo Smith vs. Tank Abbot - Tank eats about 4 or 5 of Mo's thigh kicks and calls it quits.

UFC 27: Pedro Rizzo vs. Severn - One thigh kick and Severn is on the ground writhing in pain.

UFC 7: Ruas vs. "Polar Bear" Varelans - Ruas KOs the 300 lb Varelans with thigh kicks.

Pride Grand Prix 2000?: Sakuraba vs. Royce Gracie - Sak's thigh kicks repeatedly trip up Royce and rock him.

Most of Ernesto Hoosts K-1 matches - Hoosts thigh kicks end alot of his fights. His thigh kicks nearly stopped 370lb linebacker Bob Sapp but Hoost got cocky and tried to outbox Sapp. Thigh kick stopped Vovchanchyn, a heavy hitter. Thigh kick stopped Jan "The giant" Nortje (see why they call him the giant?)

Tom Yum · 01-01-2004, 05:14 PM

Thigh kicks work best against bigger, stronger opponents that don't use much footwork. The only drawback is that you have to watch out for a counter right hand.

Rudolphuss · 01-01-2004, 06:48 PM

Thank you all for your replies. I was afraid that thigh kicks are kicks using the thigh

. That would be real interesting indeed.

Ahoym8e · 07-14-2004, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudolphuss

Thank you all for your replies. I was afraid that thigh kicks are kicks using the thigh

. That would be real interesting indeed.

Ok, new rule: All opponents may only kick me with their thighs...

**Thai Bri** · 07-15-2004, 06:03 PM

I've accidently done that on two occasions whilst trying to knee people. It hurts like a biotch!

chalambok · 07-25-2004, 12:52 AM

Sometimes when an opponent closes very rapidly, the thigh can be used like a round knee and driven into the ribs or stomach. It works well, variations being the quadricep muscle and the actual inside of the thigh. You can see the latter many times during the plumb, usually delivered to the area between the ribs and the top of the hip. This kick is very 'old-style', when the fighters stood in longer stances, and would try to catch a kick to throw the opponent. Not taught much nowadays, unless you are in a self-defense class as compared to a ring-fighters' class.

Hibernatus · 11-12-2005, 09:03 PM

You can also break your leg doing thigh kick if the opponent blocks it with his knee. It's a disturbing sight.

seppuku · 11-13-2005, 01:12 PM

its an extremely distubing sight, but a rare one thankfully.

if the kick works on bigger, stronger people, whats the problem inflicting it on smaller people?

BoarSpear · 11-13-2005, 01:23 PM

smaller guys have better movement...they are harder to hit...they can also be fast enough to counter.

seppuku · 11-13-2005, 01:44 PM

good point. thanks, that should have been obvious. any problem clinching with a smaller guy?

01-01-2004, 05:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,218	Thigh Kick Nice link. The thigh kick is a Thai-style round house kick thrown into the thigh of your opponent. The kick is not snapped, like TKD roundhouse (allthough a snapping roundhouse kick with the ball of the foot aimed to the thigh is good too). The kicking leg is kept allmost straight and uses the hip to drive momentum and body weight through the kick and lands with the shin smashing its target (thigh, rib cage, neck, head). Some good fights that use the thigh kick: UFC 15: Mo Smith vs. Tank Abbot - Tank eats about 4 or 5 of Mo's thigh kicks and calls it quits. UFC 27: Pedro Rizzo vs. Severn - One thigh kick and Severn is on the ground writhing in pain. UFC 7: Ruas vs. "Polar Bear" Varelans - Ruas KOs the 300 lb Varelans with thigh kicks. Pride Grand Prix 2000?: Sakuraba vs. Royce Gracie - Sak's thigh kicks repeatedly trip up Royce and rock him. Most of Ernesto Hoosts K-1 matches - Hoosts thigh kicks end alot of his fights. His thigh kicks nearly stopped 370lb linebacker Bob Sapp but Hoost got cocky and tried to outbox Sapp. Thigh kick stopped Vovchanchyn, a heavy hitter. Thigh kick stopped Jan "The giant" Nortje (see why they call him the giant?) __________________ The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. Slow is fast; fast is slow. Love it, leave it or fix it.

01-01-2004, 05:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,218	Thigh kicks work best against bigger, stronger opponents that don't use much footwork. The only drawback is that you have to watch out for a counter right hand. __________________ The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. Slow is fast; fast is slow. Love it, leave it or fix it.

07-25-2004, 12:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
chalambok Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oregon City, Oregon USA Posts: 723	Kicking with the thigh Sometimes when an opponent closes very rapidly, the thigh can be used like a round knee and driven into the ribs or stomach. It works well, variations being the quadricep muscle and the actual inside of the thigh. You can see the latter many times during the plumb, usually delivered to the area between the ribs and the top of the hip. This kick is very 'old-style', when the fighters stood in longer stances, and would try to catch a kick to throw the opponent. Not taught much nowadays, unless you are in a self-defense class as compared to a ring-fighters' class.

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Rudolphuss Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Jose Posts: 81	Thank you all for your replies. I was afraid that thigh kicks are kicks using the thigh . That would be real interesting indeed.

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Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423	I've accidently done that on two occasions whilst trying to knee people. It hurts like a biotch!

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Hibernatus Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 12	You can also break your leg doing thigh kick if the opponent blocks it with his knee. It's a disturbing sight.

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seppuku Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Cambridge Posts: 350	its an extremely distubing sight, but a rare one thankfully. if the kick works on bigger, stronger people, whats the problem inflicting it on smaller people?

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seppuku Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Cambridge Posts: 350	good point. thanks, that should have been obvious. any problem clinching with a smaller guy?

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