knees & elbows

**elbow** · 02-26-2004 11:13 AM

are there any elbows&knees in san shou and wich one out of san shou or muay thai would be better on the street

**alexjxaver** · 02-26-2004 11:19 AM

I do not know san shou but i have never seen a elbow, and very few knees thrown by a san shou practitioner. I would think that san shou would be impractical on the street, most of the throws i have seen both people end up going down, and on the street you could easily get hurt when landing on the pavement. But i think some of the throws, off leg catches and things like that, are good to know. Because that is the one area, i think, muay thai lacks in is throws, expecialy while the leg is being held

**Khun Kao** · 02-26-2004 11:33 AM

It actually depends on the organization you fight under. A good contact person would be David Ross of NYKK gym in NYC. I *think* the website is nykk.com (need to double-check that).

There is San Shou, and there is San Da. San Shou events typically do not allow elbows or knees. San Da events typically allow knees to the body, no elbows (similar to many organizations amateur Muay Thai rules). Professional San Da often allows all knees and elbows (if I understand correctly, that is).

As far as a street fight, it really depends. Muay Thai has much more extensive elbow and knee training, which are AWESOME weapons for self-defense. But the San Shou/San Da throws are equally powerful, because just as a well-placed knee or elbow can end a fight at any moment, slamming someone to the pavement can easily acheive the same result.

My honest opinion is that it is a matter of personal preference. Do you prefer striking? Or do you prefer throwing?

**alexjxaver** · 02-26-2004 11:35 AM

i agree, both will work.

**darrianation** · 02-26-2004 01:06 PM

[QUOTE=Khun Kao]It actually depends on the organization you fight under. A good contact person would be David Ross of NYKK gym in NYC. I *think* the website is nykk.com (need to double-check that).

www.nykkgym.com

**Tom Yum** · 02-26-2004 04:45 PM

One of the biggest differences between the training in both is that Sanshou guys tend to focus more on boxing and grappling, wheras muay thai fighters focus on kicking and controlling/striking from the clinch.

Muay thai has better infighting, but there's something to be said about being able to slam a guy high and hard like some of the Chinese fighters do.

**guy incognito** · 02-26-2004 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by alexjxaver

I do not know san shou but i have never seen a elbow, and very few knees thrown by a san shou practitioner. I would think that san shou would be impractical on the street, most of the throws i have seen both people end up going down, and on the street you could easily get hurt when landing on the pavement. But i think some of the throws, off leg catches and things like that, are good to know. Because that is the one area, i think, muay thai lacks in is throws, expecialy while the leg is being held

There are many of these techniques that are taught by the traditionalists.Most people want the competition orriented side of muay thai so its lost.These type of tech. are not allowed in the ring and so are not taught.

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