MartialArtsJ

im not sure if this thread belongs in this topic but i was wondering which art is the quickest to learn and get results quickly out of these: Muay Thai,Wing Chun, and JKD. and i was also wondering if 3 students who practice wing chun,muay thai and jkd all equally for a year got in a combative sparr..which student/art is most likely to win?

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Got kp?

Thai Bri

Just join a club and start training........

Sanitarium

Depends what you're looking for....tournaments? self-defense skills?

If you want to get straight into learning how to simply and brutally defend yourself on the street then go for JKD...

whereas if you're more interested in MA as a sport, go for WC or MT.

Thai Bri

If you want to perform endless drils that often have no combative relevance whatsoever...... go for JKD.

kengar

Unfortunately both of those statements can be true. Some schools continually play in useless drills. Some others just get to the point. I recently started training with a group and it is to the point. It follows basic JKD concepts and we put it into action. A knife fight goes; Pickup a knife and try to get each other and see what really works.

Maybe this class is just more bare-bones than others and not straying off into a bunch of drills, but it really seems closer to what can be done. Instead of 12-18 angles of attack with the knife there are the basic 5 movements and any thing after that is merely adjusting to the moment.

Simple boxing. Hands up, cross, jad, shield, block, and when you don't keep your head up and back you eat one and take a bloody nose as I did Tues night. Nothing too hard about what goes on in that class, it is just more to the point.

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Hummm.....

Thai Bri

I hope that this more direct JKD goes form strength to strength then. Eventually, if it tries really hard..... it will turn into Combatives!

MartialArtsJ

unfortunantly i dont know if the academy near my place teaches the crappy JKD or the useful JKD...

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Thai Bri

Watch a few lessons. Do the students face each other and patter away at each other with sticks, in pre-determined sequencies? Do they roll their arms around each other?

If they do, avoid.

darrianation

TB has a good idea go to each and watch a few classes; this will give you a better feel.

MT is the simplest of the three you mentioned, so there will be a faster learning curve there. It also depends on what other training you have the more changes especially in the little things the harder it is to rid yourself of habits formed in other MAs.

Who would win well that all depends: The rules of the sparring match, the quality of the fighter, and the tangibles and intangibles.

Personally they are all good but for street combat JKD inches out MT in my opinion but a good MT guy can still defend himself too.

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[MT]Mike

It sure gets old seeing people insult Thai boxing as being simple. Simple is golden. no matter how tired you are any boxer worth his salt can pull off a four count. No matter how hard you got sucker punched somewhere in the back of your mind is your coach yelling one! one, two! You dont have to think about where you left your rattan sticks at, you dont have to worry about what foot you have forward and you sure as hell dont have to worry about if your sarong is going to fall off. Do yourself a favor, go to the Muay Thai school.


Thanks,

Mike

darrianation

If you are referring to me about insulting MT, dude get off your soap box. I am not insulting MT as far as I am concerned it is the greatest MA ever. I don’t know about learning JKD or WC. I do know JKD has a huge arsenal of techniques, and WC although not as bad as some KF systems is still fairly complicated. I believe between these three choices MT is the easiest to pick up and use between them. If I am wrong about that it’s only because I don’t understand JKD well enough not that I am putting down MT


I found in my MT training I picked it up and was able to apply much faster and easier than Karate, Kenpo and most other MAs I have studied. This is one of the thing I love about MT it no nonsense strait to the point in your face.

Long live MT!

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The law of tyranny:

1. Any power that can be abused will be abused
2. Abuse always expands to fill the limits of resistance to it.
3. If people don't resist the abuses of others, they will have no one to resist the abuses of themselves, and tyranny will prevail.


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[MT]Mike

First you said this:

Personally they are all good but for street combat JKD inches out MT in my opinion but a good MT guy can still defend himself too.

Then you said this:

I don’t know about learning JKD or WC. I do know JKD has a huge arsenal of techniques, and WC although not as bad as some KF systems is still fairly complicated.

And finally you said this:

as far as I am concerned it (Thaiboxing) is the greatest MA ever.

I dont think Im on a soapbox, dude. As a guy who spend too much of his life on a soapbox arguing with my Union brothers, this is not soap-boxing. I just have noticed in my time lurking on this and other boards that when people want to take a dig at Thai boxing, they write it off as simple. As if by saying that its simple, they are implying it is for thugs or morons. Or people who arent cleaver enough to do real martial arts like TKD. This apparently wasnt the case with you, but I think with a little digging you would find a wealth of posts to support this theory

Thanks,

Mike

darrianation

[quote='[MT]Mike']First you said this:

a good MT guy can still defend himself too. You won’t get any argument from me about this I have always maintained this.

The reason I say JKD is better for SD is because that is what it’s geared towards and teaches fighting in all ranges including weapons and ground. MT is geared towards sport and does not include all the ranges of fighting. However MT is still good for SD!

Their maybe a few who may think that MT is to simple as to not stack up to some other MAs (you find this more often in the Chinese forum) but most people here have a healthy respect for MT. When I use the word simple it is not an insult, I look for simplicity and straight forwardness in MAs. I have been on this site for a little more than a year now and I guess my experience with people putting MT down is different than yours.

Peace!

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1. Any power that can be abused will be abused
2. Abuse always expands to fill the limits of resistance to it.
3. If people don't resist the abuses of others, they will have no one to resist the abuses of themselves, and tyranny will prevail.


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Damian Mavis

Getting the basics of Muay Thai down to an effective level is way easier than most other arts, if that means it's simple then that is a compliment on it's effectiveness period. To be really really good at Muay Thai though I find takes a long time like many other arts. There are so many nuances and strategies and things to learn about the art that make it very in depth and complicated. But to get fighting right away you can use the simple parts of muay thai pretty effectively faster than most arts.

heh,MTMike, you are way to touchy man! Try being a hardcore traditional TKD guy, now, I have to listen to some serious crap, Muay Thai gets hardly any flak.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

darrianation

[quote]So, True!

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The law of tyranny:

1. Any power that can be abused will be abused
2. Abuse always expands to fill the limits of resistance to it.
3. If people don't resist the abuses of others, they will have no one to resist the abuses of themselves, and tyranny will prevail.


Welcome to the Socialist States of Amerika . Coming soon Jan 20th 2009!