Dimz18

Hi im like 160lbs and 6'1ft
I want to begin to start to gain weight. I dont want to start lifting weights because my instructor said that wil hurt my performance.(like my punches will be slower and my feet heavier.) he said i need to do exersize that simulate punching and kicking so it would work out those muscles. I gues like pushups and situps these types of exersizes. I think its called polyometrics(not sure about the speling) anyways honestly i have a very poor diet my parents work from like 8am-6pm and i go to school so really ther is no real homecooked food most of the time. So i end up eating pizza, sandwiches or take out fast food. And if i dont have the money on me that day or cant go out to buy anything i basicly dont eat. Sometimes i eat 1x a day or 2X. So now i decided i need to gain like good 10-15 lbs of muscle. If u can can u give me the exersizes to do that wont screw up my training.(speed power.. etc) but would give my body defenition. Some diets and like the types of food that have alot of neutrients. (preferably something smal like tuna(because i cant eat too much my stomach shrunk i tihnk from not eating a lot of food). Anyways i prolly made this long enough and one more thing like if u guys make some hight protein shakes or something like that plz post it here i need all info i can get my hands on. I searched online al diests i se to gain wight involve weight lifting and thats not what im looking for. Thanks

swisscom

Hmm not that this is any help but...
Wouldn't physics prove that heavier mass takes longer to accelerate than a lighter mass?

Cuz see. You're trying to gain 10-15 pounds.
If we gave your speed and weight(power) numbers in a ratio format.
ex) 5:5
If you gained weight, 4:6
If you lost weight, 6:4

Bigger is slower, in math, physics, biology, etc. It is a fact.

But speed is something you shouldnt worry about really, because if you look at it realisticly. You might punch like... .15 seconds slower? but with 15 more pounds of mass, thats quite the heavy amount of damage.

I'm not the best person to ask about gaining weight, I have been trying for almost a year, and I havent moved up 1 pound. It's sad.

Anyway. Building muscle involves ripping your muscles so they heal and expand. Unless you can find a way to rip them without weights, good luck on your quest haha

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Dimz18

I gues its true that bigger is slower. But i was thinking that as i increase weight my muscle would increase as well so the force on say the hand would be the same as the force i had before i gained weight. maybe not the same but atleast not that much different.

shirase

i wouldnt be worried about losing speed with 10-15 pounds of muscle, thats about how much ive gained this past year (17 lbs) and i can honestly say i dont feel any slower at all. The biggest con of gaining weight has been that i havent done cardio in awhile as that is supposed to prevent you from gaining weight, so ill have to start running in a few monthes. And all that stuff about weightlifting making you slower, thats bs. Weightlifting has been shown to increase performance in athletes of many different sports, increasing power, strength, speed , and reducing the rate of injury. I suggest you lift heavy weights for low reps(4-8) and to buy some protein powder and to eat at least 1 gram per body weight, or more depending on how fast your metabolism is. Good luck gaining weight, as im trying to as well.

bodhisattva

Weight training does NOT make one slower.

Repeating:

Weight training does NOT make one slower.

It makes one FASTER.

It is true that "muscle bound" bodybuilders are often non-functional athletes - they are slow and lack flexibility and move like they are wearing an astronaut's space suit.

But weightlifting, by a fighter, does NOT make him slow. Neither does packing on muscle mass.

It is true that heavier things take longer to accellerate than lighter things.

But think about it more deeply: you are talking about MUSCLE. That is what DOES THE MOVING!

It is the engine in the car. FAST cars have BIG HEAVY engines in them. If you took a big engine, and "souped it up" like people are doing to four cylinder cars now, it would freaking SCREAM.

Boxers and wrestlers, at the olympic level, do LOADS of weight training. It isn't the single most important thing they do. But it is incredibly important to their careers that they weight train.

An olympic level boxer is NOT slow. He is like a striking snake.

Your car won't get slower because your engine is bigger.

The stronger your muscles, the BETTER they will be at ACCELERATING the MASS of your arm. Even if the muscle makes the arm heavier, it IS the big ENGINE that moves your ARM.

Don't believe the old wives tales, fellows. They are mostly spread by guys who are too lazy to work out.

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speedkills

I fully agree with the lifting wieghts response. You need to lift accordingly to what you want. If you want to gain wieght eat lots of protien, chicken, steak, lots and lots of peanut butter. In between eating and wieght training work on punch and kick drills till your arms fall off and you can't stand up. I guarantee you will put on pure muscle mass and never lose an ounce of speed with an increase in power.

majorfufu

bodhisvatta hit the nail right on the head. weightlifting will not slow you down at all. Its always little scrawny guys that spread this crap

Enzo566

Actaully, if u look at many Pro Boxer's... (Roy Jones JR, Muhammad Ali, Arturo Gotti,sugar shane mosley)

I've read interviews, and books about them and They actually dont use weights in their workouts.

Roy Jone's Jr is like a beacon of physical fitness too so idk what to think about that.

His Workout was like: 5 mile jog in the morning, Then some ab workouts, then strech out, Shadow box 4-5 rounds intensly, Speedbag for 16 minutes straight, Heavy bag 4 rounds intensly, Skip rope for 25 min straight, double end bag 4-5 rounds. I think that was it but it specifically said he didnt use weights in his workout.

Now what im wondering is.... did he used weights to get as big as he is or did he just do like pushups situps pullups stuff like that plus his current workout.

speedkills

Yes Roy Jones does weight train. Sit ups and push ups only condition your body, make it leaner more able to take shock. SOFT BODY, SOFT HEART!

Ripe-WithDecay-

Quick abridged version because I'm heading out.

Weight training makes you faster, not slower, for one main reason.

You build the Type IIa muscle fibers from explosive muscle bursts. This is what gives you power. Power comes from the velocity times the force ( P=Fv ). The more force behind the punch ( F=ma ) is the mass times the acceleration.

How this relates to the muscles is simple. The muscle obviously work to pull. The quicker a responce you can get from your muscles, the more power you will get out of them. Type IIa muscles are fast-twitch muscles.

Easy ways to work them are weigthed exercises followed directly by a plyomteric exercise on the same muscle group. This is complex training. YOu gain both the speed and muscle mass in your workout.


Any other q's, I'll check back later.

Cheers

EmptyneSs

theres no way u are going to gain 15 lbs of muscle without lifting weights or doing some kinda of intense resistance training.

and no, it wont slow u down, it will only make u faster and perform better.

Ravin

If u do alot training with the bag while u do weights to gain weight it wont slow u down it'll get u alot more power

LiQuiD_PaRaDoX

Hey man,

You're 160lbs and 6'1???? Stock up on protein and do weights at least 3x a week.

BUT, you're 160 and 6'1.... that must mean you got a crazy reach!!! Why not use it to your advantage. I'm not sure how tall many people are in your weight class cuz I'm a light-weight, but it seems like you're one of the taller guys in that class. So, keep on workin on your speed + power + distancing. I bet you could do some crazy damage with just your hands alone via jabbing.

If this is true, then why not reconsider on the weight-gain [to me, it sounds like you have an advantage - unless other guys in your weight class are generally taller than you].

Good luck!

technician79

Take MRI NO2 and lift heavy. I packed on about 5lbs of muscle in 2 weeks. If you dont want to lift, buy weight gainers and drink it twice a day, make sure one of the servings is right before you go to sleep. Good luck!

JCRD

dont take weight gainers before you go to sleep if your not weight training, it will make you fat

what you need is to eat lots of high protein low fat foods like chicken, and tuna in springwater (oil is too fatty) its really hard to get the ammount of protein you need if you dont want to eat that much, go and buy some whey protein isolate, and some micellar casein protein, have a whey protein shake mixed with WATER before and after your strength training sessions (depending on how long they last, if less than 45 mins then have 1 shake before) before bed have the micellar casein protein mixed with water

if you cant afford the micellar casein protein (it is a bit more expensive)
then mix the whey protein isolate with milk before bed

basically what you need for lean body mass is
High Protein, Medium Carbs, Low Fat
If you have too much fat or carbs then you will gain unwanted bulk
here is a simple saying to keep in mind

"Total Calorie intake dictates how much you gain or lose, Macro-Nutrient ratios dictates what you gain or lose"

Calories are determined by Fat Protein and Carbohydrates
To determine the total calories in food do this
Multiply Protein by 4
Multiply Carbs by 4
Multiply fat by 9

example lets just say a food has
Protein 20g
Carbs 10g
Fat 5g
add these all together

Total calories will be 80 + 80 + 45 = 205 calories

your total calorie intake per day should be more than you burn, so about 2500 calories is on the mark for your stats