multiple opponents? - Page 2

jubaji · 05-23-2005, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Python

Have you ever been bitten? Have you ever bitten someone? Ever pinched the inside of the thigh or upper arm? ever rammed a finger into someone's eye? All, of these things generate a mobile reaction out of the attacker, in any case, you will atleast have more room to make your own move and escape..

What a load of crap. I have experienced all of those things and they are in no way a substitute for any kind of real skill. They are much more likely to get you in far deeper shit than you were before if you were at a disadvantage to begin with.

Python · 05-23-2005, 01:31 PM

I never said it was a substitute for skill, nor would I ever think that! BUT, skill is not always the answer to winning a real fight. Heart, determination, and a sheer will to survive is. Sometimes you have to fight dirty to survive a street fight. Of course you should not rely on biting or pinching or eye gouging to get your through, you should train all aspects of the combative arts.....but Jubaji...if you think a finger in the eye or a well placed pinch or bite is a load of crap....then you sir don't know your ass from your head, nor have you really experienced these things.

jubaji · 05-23-2005, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Python

skill is not always the answer to winning a real fight. .

That is what people with no skill say. They are pretty much the only ones who say that. Know why?

jubaji · 05-23-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Python

if you think a finger in the eye or a well placed pinch or bite is a load of crap....then you sir don't know your ass from your head, nor have you really experienced these things.

Let's see...

I know my ass is the larger, smellier one.

And I know that relying on 'tricks' where you have no skill, or strength, or speed, etc will only get you your ass kicked far, far worse. (remember, that's the smellier one)

Python · 05-23-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jubaji

Let's see...

I know my ass is the larger, smellier one.

And I know that relying on 'tricks' where you have no skill, or strength, or speed, etc will only get you your ass kicked far, far worse. (remember, that's the smellier one)

Damn it! I am trying to get heated with you and you make me lol! Quit it!

We are not going to agree at all. Fact is I do have skill, I have been in my share of street fights, one on one and multiple, and I have had my share of ring fights which I am still currently active again. I only speak from experience, which I have plenty off.

Oh wait...I forgot, you know it all...my bad, disregard everything I just said.

jubaji · 05-23-2005, 01:45 PM

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Oh wait...I forgot, you know it all...my bad, disregard everything I just said.

Why didn't you just say that in the first place and save us all this trouble?

Python · 05-23-2005, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jubaji

Why didn't you just say that in the first place and save us all this trouble?

LOL..dude, shut the hell up man....LOL

peopleschamp · 05-23-2005, 02:38 PM

Jubaji,
by even calling a pinch or such a move a "trick" you show your ignorance. It's a valid tactic and seriously you have to experience it to know how effective it is. It will leave you screaming like a girl no matter how big or muscular you are. Just like any other technique a valid pinch goes after a large cluster of nerves or particularly susceptible portions of anatomy. It's meant to make your opponent loosen their grip or lose focus for a second or so to allow you to make your move either away or to attack.

Dont' be so simple as to think that just because someone knows bjj they are instantly undefeatable on the ground or that basic moves are suddenly obsolete because bjj doesn't give anyone titanium skin or change the makeup of their bodies. The only difference is that some people have a better pain threshold than others, but those people are rare and I doubt you, or the odds of a particular opponent, are able to take a localized surge of pain.

EmptyneSs · 05-23-2005, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by peopleschamp

I don't really think they were bigger than him, and really they didn't want to fight or didn't know how (except maybe one guy who actually tried to stand toe to toe with vallely).

if u see them in the begining, all those guys are taller than mike, however he seems like he is more built. either way, it was still 4 to 1 and he still took them all on and scattered them like roaches using surprise, agressiveness and speed to his advantage.

those guys just didnt expect for mike to take them on since they outnumbered him and werent taking him seriously. u can see one dude laughing at mike when he is confronting them, and thats when he gets pissed and attacks them..

peopleschamp · 05-23-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by EmptyneSs

if u see them in the begining, all those guys are taller than mike, however he seems like he is more built. either way, it was still 4 to 1 and he still took them all on and scattered them like roaches using surprise, agressiveness and speed to his advantage.

those guys just didnt expect for mike to take them on since they outnumbered him and werent taking him seriously. u can see one dude laughing at mike when he is confronting them, and thats when he gets pissed and attacks them..

Yeah,
Vallely is definately not the person to laugh at. Sorry it was just the semantics of bigger and taller because mike's got a decent build and obviously can handle himself. Those other guys either weren't expecting it or just weren't much on fighting (supposedly mike used to streetfight all the time as a kid). They sure did try to clear it up and apologize quick after mike started swinging. A lot of good stuff to learn though from this video.

Python · 05-23-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by peopleschamp

Jubaji,
by even calling a pinch or such a move a "trick" you show your ignorance. It's a valid tactic and seriously you have to experience it to know how effective it is. It will leave you screaming like a girl no matter how big or muscular you are. Just like any other technique a valid pinch goes after a large cluster of nerves or particularly susceptible portions of anatomy. It's meant to make your opponent loosen their grip or lose focus for a second or so to allow you to make your move either away or to attack.

Dont' be so simple as to think that just because someone knows bjj they are instantly undefeatable on the ground or that basic moves are suddenly obsolete because bjj doesn't give anyone titanium skin or change the makeup of their bodies. The only difference is that some people have a better pain threshold than others, but those people are rare and I doubt you, or the odds of a particular opponent, are able to take a localized surge of pain.

Sorry Peopleschamp, you are wasting your breath, or fingers..lol. See, Jubaji KNOWS everything, experienced everything, fought everybody, invented all martial arts in existence today..need I say more? He is a legend in his own mind

Not to mention completely ignorant!

swisscom · 05-23-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jubaji

That is what people with no skill say. They are pretty much the only ones who say that. Know why?

You can't hate on Python, he has his own gym. What the **** do you have?

peopleschamp · 05-23-2005, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Python

Sorry Peopleschamp, you are wasting your breath, or fingers..lol. See, Jubaji KNOWS everything, experienced everything, fought everybody, invented all martial arts in existence today..need I say more? He is a legend in his own mind

Not to mention completely ignorant!

okay, I'll quit wasting my time. Like James Barrie said, I'm not young enough to think I know everything - so I figure jubaji is "twee and half yews ole."

Python · 05-23-2005, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by swisscom

You can't hate on Python, he has his own gym. What the **** do you have?

He doesn't have shit Swisscom. He is in his own little world, playing with blocks and eating with his fingers. But, thanks for gettin' my back.

Python · 05-23-2005, 03:15 PM

Peopleschamp,

How 'bout if we both go "pinch" him and see if he wakes up out of his little world screaming like a baby! At the least he would piss his pants

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05-23-2005, 01:31 PM	#17 (permalink)
Python Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Carroll, Iowa Posts: 232	I never said it was a substitute for skill, nor would I ever think that! BUT, skill is not always the answer to winning a real fight. Heart, determination, and a sheer will to survive is. Sometimes you have to fight dirty to survive a street fight. Of course you should not rely on biting or pinching or eye gouging to get your through, you should train all aspects of the combative arts.....but Jubaji...if you think a finger in the eye or a well placed pinch or bite is a load of crap....then you sir don't know your ass from your head, nor have you really experienced these things.

05-23-2005, 02:38 PM	#23 (permalink)
peopleschamp Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 134	Jubaji, by even calling a pinch or such a move a "trick" you show your ignorance. It's a valid tactic and seriously you have to experience it to know how effective it is. It will leave you screaming like a girl no matter how big or muscular you are. Just like any other technique a valid pinch goes after a large cluster of nerves or particularly susceptible portions of anatomy. It's meant to make your opponent loosen their grip or lose focus for a second or so to allow you to make your move either away or to attack. Dont' be so simple as to think that just because someone knows bjj they are instantly undefeatable on the ground or that basic moves are suddenly obsolete because bjj doesn't give anyone titanium skin or change the makeup of their bodies. The only difference is that some people have a better pain threshold than others, but those people are rare and I doubt you, or the odds of a particular opponent, are able to take a localized surge of pain.

05-23-2005, 03:15 PM	#30 (permalink)
Python Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Carroll, Iowa Posts: 232	Peopleschamp, How 'bout if we both go "pinch" him and see if he wakes up out of his little world screaming like a baby! At the least he would piss his pants

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