Western Boxing and Muay Thai

Screamtruth · 09-05-2005, 06:25 PM

How many of you out there go to schools that incorporate Boxing and Muay Thai. I know it depends on who you ask, but I have been taught two different ways. The first is the traditional Muay Thai, with using primarily kicks, knees and the clinch; fighting from the standard Muay Thai stance--Hands high and apart, leaning slightly back and legs in more of a kicking stance. On the other hand, I have been taught the above while in kicking range, but once in closer, say for the medium and close ranges, switching to a more classic boxing set, minus the bob and weave due to the knees. I haven't seen too many Thai's with an awesome punching aresenal. I think Ramon Dekker kind of changed their outlook on boxing fundamentals during his reign. He sure had the hands to end a match.

Oreomeister365 · 09-05-2005, 07:19 PM

My school incorporates most everything into it, boxing, Muay Thai, CSW...and then puts it together in a package we like to call Jeet Kune Do, so everything stems from one central stance and the like, everything is mixed, rather than having separate training for one specific art...hence mixed martial arts.

GonzoStyles · 09-06-2005, 07:47 PM

Thais excel at western boxing Scream, quite a few lighter weight champions have been from Thailand, and they all have a Muay Thai Background, one of the best was Sot Chitalada. he held the lightweight title for awhile. I have seen a few of his fights and he has excellent footwork and he has awesome defensive skills, in one fight they had a slow motion clip of him slipping about 5-6 punches in a row.

Nick · 09-06-2005, 08:12 PM

When I was training Muay Thai, we held our hands high, but not really high like the classic stance. It was half way between western boxing and the Muay Thai stance.

Screamtruth · 09-06-2005, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoStyles

Thais excel at western boxing Scream, quite a few lighter weight champions have been from Thailand, and they all have a Muay Thai Background, one of the best was Sot Chitalada. he held the lightweight title for awhile. I have seen a few of his fights and he has excellent footwork and he has awesome defensive skills, in one fight they had a slow motion clip of him slipping about 5-6 punches in a row.

Do you have that clip by any chance?

I know that Thai's do have the boxing in their game, but I just haven't seen many examples. I am biased though, since I haven't seen a lot of the matches from Thailand; plus I am a fan of Puramuk, so his kicks are what really set him apart, to me. I have noticed in Ring magazine that there are a few boxers in the rankings from Thailand. In fact, I do have a clip from the Sityodong camp in Thailand of a Thai boxer working the mitts.

GonzoStyles · 09-06-2005, 10:49 PM

Sot was flyweight champ so apparenly i got weights mixed up, no the fight footage belonged to my Ajarn he has a very large collection of Muay Thai and western boxing fights.

EmptyneSs · 09-07-2005, 04:56 AM

i train in a mix of boxing and mt. they are 2 arts that really work well together, just like judo and bjj together are great. mt that has alot of western boxing influence seems to be one of the strongest and most effective variatons of the art. boxing adds incredible speed and power to your punches, while giving u alot of other other options when it comes to defense, evasion, footwork, and clinch techniques. add that to the elbows, knees, and kicks of mt, and u have one the of the most effective and devastating all around standup styles that is good in the ring as well as the street.

Screamtruth · 09-07-2005, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by EmptyneSs

i train in a mix of boxing and mt. they are 2 arts that really work well together, just like judo and bjj together are great. mt that has alot of western boxing influence seems to be one of the strongest and most effective variatons of the art. boxing adds incredible speed and power to your punches, while giving u alot of other other options when it comes to defense, evasion, footwork, and clinch techniques. add that to the elbows, knees, and kicks of mt, and u have one the of the most effective and devastating all around standup styles that is good in the ring as well as the street.

No shit, I agree with you totally.

I have always heard that the bob and weave wasn't a good habit to pick up while competing in MMA or MT. I have used the other evasion techniques of boxing to some good however; I had bought a book by Matt Haymaker, I think that is his name, on MMA fighting strategies. He was very boxing oriented when it comes to the punches and defense. So his little setup for the MMA standup seemed to fit well within my MT arsenal, I just added the teep and the knees, and BAM, it's all good.

I did spar against a boxer once; I couldn't hit shit and I got owned. Once we changed the rules to MT, I OWNED him. He dished it out in the boxing, but the payback in the form of a few knees and teeps was just more than he could bare.

seppuku · 09-09-2005, 08:14 PM

ive never tried boxing. muay thai im with atm, various japanese styles in the past. but boxing never really appealed... what am i missing out on?

THT · 09-09-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Screamtruth

I did spar against a boxer once; I couldn't hit shit and I got owned.

Same thing happened to me at open gym last Tuesday. I could not hit the guy and he was doing w/e he wanted. Western Boxers are the best at not letting you punch them and puching you. It's like magic. He took three of us mt guys out in a row (he is pro though and we are all not). He hooked me in the side so hard that when I was trying to get my wind back I made one of those funny HHAARRFFF noises. Got the other two the same way. No funny noises though.

In related news I just bought a medicine ball today.

Derekwl · 09-09-2005, 09:25 PM

Haha Its funny what happens whenever I spar my friend who is a boxer. Every time I go in for a punch, its just a magic hand pops out of nowhere and hits me haha. On the other hand though, sparring a boxer with MT rules is hillarious, this one guy was like "I'm gonna go Ong Bak on your ass". He tried to do a flying knee (which was absolutely ridiculous) and when I sidestepped it he lost his footing on the landing and fell on his ass!! SOO FUNNY

Moral of the story, dont try to imitate movies!

09-05-2005, 06:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
Screamtruth Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 90 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Western Boxing and Muay Thai How many of you out there go to schools that incorporate Boxing and Muay Thai. I know it depends on who you ask, but I have been taught two different ways. The first is the traditional Muay Thai, with using primarily kicks, knees and the clinch; fighting from the standard Muay Thai stance--Hands high and apart, leaning slightly back and legs in more of a kicking stance. On the other hand, I have been taught the above while in kicking range, but once in closer, say for the medium and close ranges, switching to a more classic boxing set, minus the bob and weave due to the knees. I haven't seen too many Thai's with an awesome punching aresenal. I think Ramon Dekker kind of changed their outlook on boxing fundamentals during his reign. He sure had the hands to end a match. __________________ KICKING you in the face, 'cause that's what we do!

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Oreomeister365 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: PA Posts: 189 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	My school incorporates most everything into it, boxing, Muay Thai, CSW...and then puts it together in a package we like to call Jeet Kune Do, so everything stems from one central stance and the like, everything is mixed, rather than having separate training for one specific art...hence mixed martial arts.

09-06-2005, 07:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
GonzoStyles Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 606 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thais excel at western boxing Scream, quite a few lighter weight champions have been from Thailand, and they all have a Muay Thai Background, one of the best was Sot Chitalada. he held the lightweight title for awhile. I have seen a few of his fights and he has excellent footwork and he has awesome defensive skills, in one fight they had a slow motion clip of him slipping about 5-6 punches in a row.

09-06-2005, 08:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
Nick Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 194 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	When I was training Muay Thai, we held our hands high, but not really high like the classic stance. It was half way between western boxing and the Muay Thai stance.

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GonzoStyles Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 606 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sot was flyweight champ so apparenly i got weights mixed up, no the fight footage belonged to my Ajarn he has a very large collection of Muay Thai and western boxing fights.

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EmptyneSs Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cali Posts: 2,120 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	i train in a mix of boxing and mt. they are 2 arts that really work well together, just like judo and bjj together are great. mt that has alot of western boxing influence seems to be one of the strongest and most effective variatons of the art. boxing adds incredible speed and power to your punches, while giving u alot of other other options when it comes to defense, evasion, footwork, and clinch techniques. add that to the elbows, knees, and kicks of mt, and u have one the of the most effective and devastating all around standup styles that is good in the ring as well as the street.

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seppuku Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Cambridge Posts: 350 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	ive never tried boxing. muay thai im with atm, various japanese styles in the past. but boxing never really appealed... what am i missing out on?

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Derekwl Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada Posts: 52 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Haha Its funny what happens whenever I spar my friend who is a boxer. Every time I go in for a punch, its just a magic hand pops out of nowhere and hits me haha. On the other hand though, sparring a boxer with MT rules is hillarious, this one guy was like "I'm gonna go Ong Bak on your ass". He tried to do a flying knee (which was absolutely ridiculous) and when I sidestepped it he lost his footing on the landing and fell on his ass!! SOO FUNNY Moral of the story, dont try to imitate movies!

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