Muay Chaiya Original Muaythai

killer · 05-12-2006, 10:21 AM

Thai national martial art is, naturally, MuayThai. But how many really know the true Muay Thai beyond the thought of two big, muscular boxers furiously exchanging kicks as seen at the boxing camps or the famous stadiums such as the Lumpinee and the Rachadumneun?

The original Muay Thai uses one’s wits more than brute strength, and ends up with injury sustained by both sides. Muay Chaiya, a style of Muay Thai, has clearly illustrates this fact.

Muay Thai Chaiya, or as called by it’s full name as Pahuyuth Muay Thai Chaiya, translated to be the way of Thai fighting, hand to hand combat, Chaiya style, can hardly be seen now a days. But there is a place where Muay Chaiya is taught to interested public, so the heritage of the old and traditional Muay Thai, or Muay Boran, can be passed down. This is to keep alive a true Thai tradition, which most people have only seen in books or movies.

Master Amornkrit Pramuan, or Kru Preang to his Muay Thai students, has carried on the intention of the masters, who had come before him, to continue the legacy of preserving Muay Thai in it’s true form, which had been forgotten since the banning of fighting with rope, or hem binding as we called Muay Kad-Chuek. Many techniques, unique to Muay Thai, have been lost due to the imposing of rules adapted from western boxing.

Kru (teacher) Preang, was the close student of Kru Thong Chuer-Chaiya, who had inherited the Muay Thai Chaiya from the Grand Master Ketr Sriyapai (the last grand master of Muay Thai), who had learned from his father, Phraya Wajeesatayarak, the provincial governor of Chaiya. The Grand Master also learned from another 13 masters until he was well versed in MuayThai.

Muay Thai Chaiya, not only utilizes fists, feet, knees, and elbows as we commonly see in the main stream Muay Thai, but also uses the forgotten elements of throwing, pressing, grabbling or clinching and joint breaking (Toom-Tup-Jub-Huk), they are no less dangerous than the throwing and joint locking of other martial arts. There are other sets of techniques with names that rhyme and contain deep meanings. They are to lure, to mislead, to elude, to avoid, to deceive, and to tease (Lor-Lork-Lop-Leek-Lorklor-Lorlen), or to hug, to squeeze, to swing the opponent from side to side, and to cast or throw the opponent down (Kod-Rad-Fad-Wieng). These are the techniques for inside fighting, that we no longer see in today’s Muay Thai. Even the way to fall, to get up, to roll on the ground, and to crawl (Lom-Look-Klook-Klan), which deal with proper way of rolling on the ground and falling so the practitioners wouldn’t get hurt.

So, an exponent of the old and traditional Muay Thai, such as Muay Thai Chaiya, does not limit oneself to only one-dimensional fighting of stand up strike. If the fight takes one down to the ground, one still has to be able to fight effectively. Since the old traditional Muay Thai was created for the engagement in battlefields, being able to engage with several opponents at the same time has made Muay Thai Chaiya so formidable.

Classes are conducted in the old traditional and systematic way. Students will learn from basic. They will learn how to defend themselves by blocking or shielding, brushing away, covering, and opening (Pong-Pud-Pid-Perd), until one is proficient and confident enough to protect oneself from being attacked. Then one will gradually learn other extended Muay Thai techniques, or Look-mai. This is different from the main stream Muay Thai, where the boxer will train to take offensive posture of solely kicking, punching and to destroy one’s opponent, and in return, by depending on the physical toughness of oneself, to receive kicks and punches from the opponent. As the teachers, or “Kru’ of Muay Thai Chaiya have strongly affirmed that an exponent of an art of self defend has to be able to actually defend oneself from harm. One should not achieve winning status because of one’s durability.

Corrections and changes were made through the wisdom of past Muay Thai teachers, Muay Thai is devastating with numerous trick techniques, extended techniques, and principal techniques. These said techniques can branch out, virtually, without limit. The learning of this devastating art of fighting, develops oneself to be a person with patient, strong determination, and yet, serene. All in all, to learn the way of fighting, will develop an exponent to be a good member of the society, who is always consciously alert, well behave, just as one who has been taught by a teacher.

Kru Preang has also drawn a curriculum for weaponry that co-exists with Muay Thai Chaiya. It is commonly known as Krabi-Krabong, or “sword and staff” which actually means the use of short and long weapons. They consist of two-hand swords, knife, long pole or staff, short staff, or elbow staff (mai-sork), as well as, all other old traditional Thai weapons, that one can not easily find a place to learn. This is a true combination of all the traditional Thai martial arts.

Muay Thai Chaiya and Thai Weaponry Conservation Foundation

Kru Preang (Amornkrit Pramuan)
Muay Thai Chaiya and Thai Weaponry Foundation
Offers Classes on the Chaiya Style of Muay Boran (the old traditional Muay Thai), Muay Kad-Chuek (the hemp bound fist fighting), Thai sword fight, and all other traditional weapons.

http://www.muaychaiya.com <> website
http://www.muaychaiya.blogspot.com <> Blog
http://www.muaychaiya.com/download.html <> Clip Vdo
http://www3.youtube.com/results?sear...=search_videos <> Online Vdo youtube
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Muay+thai+Chaiya <> Online Vdo google

Khun Kao · 05-12-2006, 01:56 PM

Thai national martial art is, naturally, MuayThai. But how many really know the true Muay Thai beyond the thought of two big, muscular boxers furiously exchanging kicks as seen at the boxing camps or the famous stadiums such as the Lumpinee and the Rachadumneun?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA @ two big, muscular boxers in Lumphinee or Radjadamnern stadiums!!!!!!!

But apart from that, this is a really cool article. We have recently started referring to our MuayThai gym's training as Muay Chaiya to reflect how our system still relies heavily upon MuayThai's bareknuckle roots. There is a lot we don't teach simply because our coach focuses our training on what is suited for the ring, but over the last year, we've really gotten back to a lot of basics regarding footwork, defense, and strategy that is normally glossed over in standard MuayThai training....

Khun Kao · 05-12-2006, 02:03 PM

For clarification, there are a number of "systems" of MuayThai. MuayChaiya is only one of the original systems. I apologize for forgetting the names of some of the others because MuayChaiya is what I study... or I should say that I study a modern equivalent of MuayChaiya interpretted for ring fighting.

We start off training with some of MuayChaiya's more traditional methods, drills, and techniques to give our students a firm foundation on which to build the rest of their training. Then we gradually steer them more and more towards training that is strictly for the ring.

shirase · 05-13-2006, 08:17 PM

isnt muay boran another older style?

haumana2000 · 05-13-2006, 11:32 PM

I believe the terms signify the region and charcatictic traits of the techniques of that region.
Chaiya
Korat (very low stances)
there are others but im not sure what their terminology is.

Kind of a funny similarity with Arnis
Escrima
Kali.. (careful guys no flame wars here!)

I would love to see an article on Malaysian silat/muay thai (tomoi)

now dat would be the bomb!

george stando · 05-14-2006, 07:52 PM

These posts by Kru praengs students pop up every once and a while. Its become quite a political thing in bkk with the various chaiya guys vying for foreign students which they hold down and teach them virtually nothing over long periods of time. Only the brainwashed follow that mandate.

There are difficult schools of old fighting chaiya doesnt look like khorat. So its not quite the same as arnis and escrima debate.

Check with vincent giordano who did some extensive malay research especially into Silat and Tomoi. Also check with Omar Hakim who did some on tomoi. Two tremendous sources.

Khun Kao · 05-15-2006, 10:21 AM

I'm kinda friends with Vincent and have read a bit about the politics involved. Its a real mess, with people teaching the older bareknuckle styles without having gone through the older bareknuckle training under any recognized Thai master.

Khun Kao · 05-15-2006, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shirase

isnt muay boran another older style?

MuayBoran isn't really a style. Its a term that refers to the older, bareknuckle styles of Muay, but it isn't truly a style unto itself. Many of the older bareknuckle styles are being taught as MuayBoran, but that isn't these styles true names.

And this is where all the politics that George Stando and myself mentioned come into play. There are groups in Thailand who claim to be teaching "MuayBoran" but don't have the real bareknuckle training under a Thai master to back it up. I understand that though they are teaching authentic Thai technique, what they are doing is teaching it out of context. In other words, the moves are right, but the actual fighting style/strategy is all wrong.

Despite this, many people still feel its not such a bad idea because it is helping preserve Thailands martial fighting heritage. I fall in that group of people, though I believe that those who teach that "flavor" of MuayBoran should simply admit that they do not have a true bareknuckle lineage. It may hurt them at first, but I believe that after an initial backlash, it will come back strongly and be a popular martial art style. I mean, c'mon! Those old bareknuckle MuayThai techniques are COOL!!!!!

george stando · 05-15-2006, 07:50 PM

Its a double edge sword of both good and bad. Generally the writing on the topic by the foreingers is way off base and the techniques are not correct since they have no base or philosophy, they are just culled together without any glue or knowledge of how they really work.

Its most likely the mess will stick in the future and become the authentic muay boran and the others liek the muay chaiya guys above will mimic it by exploiting it and holding back the true knowledge. The other side is exposure for the old arts and the real masters who will slowly reveal themselves in time. A true mess for a foreigner like myself who just wants to learn and improve myself. I was lucky to meet and train wth Vincent in Thailand or I would have certainly been as lost as most of the foreingers trying to get into this stuff. His knowledge is beyond anyone I have ever met, even one of the thais teacher told me afterward that he has gone beyond even the thais at this point in preserving and training the old methods because he has been doing it for so long living in thailand and going back and forth every year.

Khun Kao · 05-16-2006, 09:59 AM

My extremely limited experience with Vincent is the same. His depth of MT knowledge far surpasses all but the actual Thai masters themselves. He helped introduce my coach to Colonel Amnat, and we're trying to bring him down to our gym for a seminar....

natb19 · 08-22-2008, 09:40 PM

I agree with ya'll above (sorry for the southern drawl but I just moved down south to Phuket :P)

Most of the 'muay boran' taught these days is missing the depth and the real 'heart' of MT. I've only learnt Muay Chaiya, so my knowledge of the other styles, Lopburi, Korat etc is very limited, but I'm sure if the original masters are found, then the full knowledge and original heart of the systems will not be lost (time is running out). This is one of the reasons I'm proud to have learnt under Kruu Lek, as he has the same concerns about Muay Chiaya, he's afraid that the 'real' Chaiya will be lost to other thinned down versions. No names mentioned... but if you've seen most of the Chaiya on the web you'll know what I'm talking about.

I'm sure each of these styles look and feel very different when done properly, and this is the part that takes a long time to acquire and hence is very rarely passed on these days. Most students don't have the time/discipline to learn to this level, or just don't have access to the right teachers. I'm very lucky to

a) be living in Thailand
b) found Ajarn Lek
c) have had the time to learn
d) speak and read thai. without which I wouldn't be were I am now

I've been going for five years, and I've still got a lot to learn about the details of alot of the advanced Muay Chaiya, but I believe I have a good feel for the style... it pains me to see the watered down version paraded around

If you guys can find the original masters and can find sufficient time to learn, the go for it! Help us keep these arts from disappearing into a whirlpool of fancy looking papp...

Asking people who have traveled and met these masters would be a good start for anyone interested. I personally recommend Kruu Pedro (Muay Thai sangka - Thai Boxing School based in Chiang Mai, Thailand) and you guys already know of Vincent Giordano. If you're serious, try sending these guys an email, they may be able to recommend some of the masters they've met.

Tee Sok · 08-22-2008, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by natb19

I agree with ya'll above (sorry for the southern drawl but I just moved down south to Phuket :P)

Most of the 'muay boran' taught these days is missing the depth and the real 'heart' of MT. I've only learnt Muay Chaiya, so my knowledge of the other styles, Lopburi, Korat etc is very limited, but I'm sure if the original masters are found, then the full knowledge and original heart of the systems will not be lost (time is running out). This is one of the reasons I'm proud to have learnt under Kruu Lek, as he has the same concerns about Muay Chiaya, he's afraid that the 'real' Chaiya will be lost to other thinned down versions. No names mentioned... but if you've seen most of the Chaiya on the web you'll know what I'm talking about.

I'm sure each of these styles look and feel very different when done properly, and this is the part that takes a long time to acquire and hence is very rarely passed on these days. Most students don't have the time/discipline to learn to this level, or just don't have access to the right teachers. I'm very lucky to

a) be living in Thailand
b) found Ajarn Lek
c) have had the time to learn
d) speak and read thai. without which I wouldn't be were I am now

I've been going for five years, and I've still got a lot to learn about the details of alot of the advanced Muay Chaiya, but I believe I have a good feel for the style... it pains me to see the watered down version paraded around

If you guys can find the original masters and can find sufficient time to learn, the go for it! Help us keep these arts from disappearing into a whirlpool of fancy looking papp...

Asking people who have traveled and met these masters would be a good start for anyone interested. I personally recommend Kruu Pedro (Muay Thai sangka - Thai Boxing School based in Chiang Mai, Thailand) and you guys already know of Vincent Giordano. If you're serious, try sending these guys an email, they may be able to recommend some of the masters they've met.

Hi Nathan, I agree with what you say. You are lucky to be able to speak and write Thai. I've studied Lanna sword and Chaiya, and my teacher told me that I will have to know how to write Thai and better my speaking since it will be important for understanding the roots, the history and the differences among the systems. Knowing how to fight and using the systems won't be enough if a student wants to become a teacher and pass on the art in a right and decent way.

I have been lucky enough and have been sent to the right teacher, thanks to people who keep things as they should be, and I intend to learn as much as I can and help others if I can.

Good to read your posts Nathan.

natb19 · 08-23-2008, 01:30 AM

Thanks Tee Sok, I'm glad my posts are a good read

Where did you learn Chaiya? I'm trying to get an idea of how many teachers, where they're based etc.

Tee Sok · 08-23-2008, 01:39 AM

Hey Nathan.

I will PM you the info as my teacher wants things to be quiet.

natb19 · 08-23-2008, 01:48 AM

Thanks Tee Sok, I can understand him wanting to keep things quiet.

05-12-2006, 10:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
killer Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41	Muay Chaiya Original Muaythai Thai national martial art is, naturally, MuayThai. But how many really know the true Muay Thai beyond the thought of two big, muscular boxers furiously exchanging kicks as seen at the boxing camps or the famous stadiums such as the Lumpinee and the Rachadumneun? The original Muay Thai uses one’s wits more than brute strength, and ends up with injury sustained by both sides. Muay Chaiya, a style of Muay Thai, has clearly illustrates this fact. Muay Thai Chaiya, or as called by it’s full name as Pahuyuth Muay Thai Chaiya, translated to be the way of Thai fighting, hand to hand combat, Chaiya style, can hardly be seen now a days. But there is a place where Muay Chaiya is taught to interested public, so the heritage of the old and traditional Muay Thai, or Muay Boran, can be passed down. This is to keep alive a true Thai tradition, which most people have only seen in books or movies. Master Amornkrit Pramuan, or Kru Preang to his Muay Thai students, has carried on the intention of the masters, who had come before him, to continue the legacy of preserving Muay Thai in it’s true form, which had been forgotten since the banning of fighting with rope, or hem binding as we called Muay Kad-Chuek. Many techniques, unique to Muay Thai, have been lost due to the imposing of rules adapted from western boxing. Kru (teacher) Preang, was the close student of Kru Thong Chuer-Chaiya, who had inherited the Muay Thai Chaiya from the Grand Master Ketr Sriyapai (the last grand master of Muay Thai), who had learned from his father, Phraya Wajeesatayarak, the provincial governor of Chaiya. The Grand Master also learned from another 13 masters until he was well versed in MuayThai. Muay Thai Chaiya, not only utilizes fists, feet, knees, and elbows as we commonly see in the main stream Muay Thai, but also uses the forgotten elements of throwing, pressing, grabbling or clinching and joint breaking (Toom-Tup-Jub-Huk), they are no less dangerous than the throwing and joint locking of other martial arts. There are other sets of techniques with names that rhyme and contain deep meanings. They are to lure, to mislead, to elude, to avoid, to deceive, and to tease (Lor-Lork-Lop-Leek-Lorklor-Lorlen), or to hug, to squeeze, to swing the opponent from side to side, and to cast or throw the opponent down (Kod-Rad-Fad-Wieng). These are the techniques for inside fighting, that we no longer see in today’s Muay Thai. Even the way to fall, to get up, to roll on the ground, and to crawl (Lom-Look-Klook-Klan), which deal with proper way of rolling on the ground and falling so the practitioners wouldn’t get hurt. So, an exponent of the old and traditional Muay Thai, such as Muay Thai Chaiya, does not limit oneself to only one-dimensional fighting of stand up strike. If the fight takes one down to the ground, one still has to be able to fight effectively. Since the old traditional Muay Thai was created for the engagement in battlefields, being able to engage with several opponents at the same time has made Muay Thai Chaiya so formidable. Classes are conducted in the old traditional and systematic way. Students will learn from basic. They will learn how to defend themselves by blocking or shielding, brushing away, covering, and opening (Pong-Pud-Pid-Perd), until one is proficient and confident enough to protect oneself from being attacked. Then one will gradually learn other extended Muay Thai techniques, or Look-mai. This is different from the main stream Muay Thai, where the boxer will train to take offensive posture of solely kicking, punching and to destroy one’s opponent, and in return, by depending on the physical toughness of oneself, to receive kicks and punches from the opponent. As the teachers, or “Kru’ of Muay Thai Chaiya have strongly affirmed that an exponent of an art of self defend has to be able to actually defend oneself from harm. One should not achieve winning status because of one’s durability. Corrections and changes were made through the wisdom of past Muay Thai teachers, Muay Thai is devastating with numerous trick techniques, extended techniques, and principal techniques. These said techniques can branch out, virtually, without limit. The learning of this devastating art of fighting, develops oneself to be a person with patient, strong determination, and yet, serene. All in all, to learn the way of fighting, will develop an exponent to be a good member of the society, who is always consciously alert, well behave, just as one who has been taught by a teacher. Kru Preang has also drawn a curriculum for weaponry that co-exists with Muay Thai Chaiya. It is commonly known as Krabi-Krabong, or “sword and staff” which actually means the use of short and long weapons. They consist of two-hand swords, knife, long pole or staff, short staff, or elbow staff (mai-sork), as well as, all other old traditional Thai weapons, that one can not easily find a place to learn. This is a true combination of all the traditional Thai martial arts. Muay Thai Chaiya and Thai Weaponry Conservation Foundation Kru Preang (Amornkrit Pramuan) Muay Thai Chaiya and Thai Weaponry Foundation Offers Classes on the Chaiya Style of Muay Boran (the old traditional Muay Thai), Muay Kad-Chuek (the hemp bound fist fighting), Thai sword fight, and all other traditional weapons. http://www.muaychaiya.com <> website http://www.muaychaiya.blogspot.com <> Blog http://www.muaychaiya.com/download.html <> Clip Vdo http://www3.youtube.com/results?sear...=search_videos <> Online Vdo youtube http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Muay+thai+Chaiya <> Online Vdo google

05-12-2006, 01:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Khun Kao Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 823	Thai national martial art is, naturally, MuayThai. But how many really know the true Muay Thai beyond the thought of two big, muscular boxers furiously exchanging kicks as seen at the boxing camps or the famous stadiums such as the Lumpinee and the Rachadumneun? BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA @ two big, muscular boxers in Lumphinee or Radjadamnern stadiums!!!!!!! But apart from that, this is a really cool article. We have recently started referring to our MuayThai gym's training as Muay Chaiya to reflect how our system still relies heavily upon MuayThai's bareknuckle roots. There is a lot we don't teach simply because our coach focuses our training on what is suited for the ring, but over the last year, we've really gotten back to a lot of basics regarding footwork, defense, and strategy that is normally glossed over in standard MuayThai training.... __________________ Kru Brooks C. Miller USMTA Director of DC, MD, and VA http://khunkao.com/

05-12-2006, 02:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
Khun Kao Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 823	For clarification, there are a number of "systems" of MuayThai. MuayChaiya is only one of the original systems. I apologize for forgetting the names of some of the others because MuayChaiya is what I study... or I should say that I study a modern equivalent of MuayChaiya interpretted for ring fighting. We start off training with some of MuayChaiya's more traditional methods, drills, and techniques to give our students a firm foundation on which to build the rest of their training. Then we gradually steer them more and more towards training that is strictly for the ring. __________________ Kru Brooks C. Miller USMTA Director of DC, MD, and VA http://khunkao.com/

05-13-2006, 08:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
shirase Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 196	isnt.. isnt muay boran another older style? __________________ "Knowledge reigns supreme over almost everything!!" -KRS-ONE Tha Teacha

05-13-2006, 11:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
haumana2000 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 307	I believe the terms signify the region and charcatictic traits of the techniques of that region. Chaiya Korat (very low stances) there are others but im not sure what their terminology is. Kind of a funny similarity with Arnis Escrima Kali.. (careful guys no flame wars here!) I would love to see an article on Malaysian silat/muay thai (tomoi) now dat would be the bomb! __________________ Tenei te koorero mo te wa rapua i te mea ngaro "search for what is missing, hidden, stolen"

05-14-2006, 07:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
george stando Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: East coast soon Bangkok Posts: 188	These posts by Kru praengs students pop up every once and a while. Its become quite a political thing in bkk with the various chaiya guys vying for foreign students which they hold down and teach them virtually nothing over long periods of time. Only the brainwashed follow that mandate. There are difficult schools of old fighting chaiya doesnt look like khorat. So its not quite the same as arnis and escrima debate. Check with vincent giordano who did some extensive malay research especially into Silat and Tomoi. Also check with Omar Hakim who did some on tomoi. Two tremendous sources.

05-15-2006, 10:21 AM	#7 (permalink)
Khun Kao Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 823	I'm kinda friends with Vincent and have read a bit about the politics involved. Its a real mess, with people teaching the older bareknuckle styles without having gone through the older bareknuckle training under any recognized Thai master. __________________ Kru Brooks C. Miller USMTA Director of DC, MD, and VA http://khunkao.com/

05-15-2006, 07:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
george stando Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: East coast soon Bangkok Posts: 188	Its a double edge sword of both good and bad. Generally the writing on the topic by the foreingers is way off base and the techniques are not correct since they have no base or philosophy, they are just culled together without any glue or knowledge of how they really work. Its most likely the mess will stick in the future and become the authentic muay boran and the others liek the muay chaiya guys above will mimic it by exploiting it and holding back the true knowledge. The other side is exposure for the old arts and the real masters who will slowly reveal themselves in time. A true mess for a foreigner like myself who just wants to learn and improve myself. I was lucky to meet and train wth Vincent in Thailand or I would have certainly been as lost as most of the foreingers trying to get into this stuff. His knowledge is beyond anyone I have ever met, even one of the thais teacher told me afterward that he has gone beyond even the thais at this point in preserving and training the old methods because he has been doing it for so long living in thailand and going back and forth every year.

05-16-2006, 09:59 AM	#10 (permalink)
Khun Kao Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 823	My extremely limited experience with Vincent is the same. His depth of MT knowledge far surpasses all but the actual Thai masters themselves. He helped introduce my coach to Colonel Amnat, and we're trying to bring him down to our gym for a seminar.... __________________ Kru Brooks C. Miller USMTA Director of DC, MD, and VA http://khunkao.com/

08-22-2008, 09:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
natb19 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Phuket, Thailand Posts: 11	I agree with ya'll above (sorry for the southern drawl but I just moved down south to Phuket :P) Most of the 'muay boran' taught these days is missing the depth and the real 'heart' of MT. I've only learnt Muay Chaiya, so my knowledge of the other styles, Lopburi, Korat etc is very limited, but I'm sure if the original masters are found, then the full knowledge and original heart of the systems will not be lost (time is running out). This is one of the reasons I'm proud to have learnt under Kruu Lek, as he has the same concerns about Muay Chiaya, he's afraid that the 'real' Chaiya will be lost to other thinned down versions. No names mentioned... but if you've seen most of the Chaiya on the web you'll know what I'm talking about. I'm sure each of these styles look and feel very different when done properly, and this is the part that takes a long time to acquire and hence is very rarely passed on these days. Most students don't have the time/discipline to learn to this level, or just don't have access to the right teachers. I'm very lucky to a) be living in Thailand b) found Ajarn Lek c) have had the time to learn d) speak and read thai. without which I wouldn't be were I am now I've been going for five years, and I've still got a lot to learn about the details of alot of the advanced Muay Chaiya, but I believe I have a good feel for the style... it pains me to see the watered down version paraded around If you guys can find the original masters and can find sufficient time to learn, the go for it! Help us keep these arts from disappearing into a whirlpool of fancy looking papp... Asking people who have traveled and met these masters would be a good start for anyone interested. I personally recommend Kruu Pedro (Muay Thai sangka - Thai Boxing School based in Chiang Mai, Thailand) and you guys already know of Vincent Giordano. If you're serious, try sending these guys an email, they may be able to recommend some of the masters they've met. __________________ www.mymuaythaichaiya.com

08-23-2008, 01:30 AM	#13 (permalink)
natb19 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Phuket, Thailand Posts: 11	Thanks Tee Sok, I'm glad my posts are a good read Where did you learn Chaiya? I'm trying to get an idea of how many teachers, where they're based etc. __________________ www.mymuaythaichaiya.com

08-23-2008, 01:39 AM	#14 (permalink)
Tee Sok Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 323	Hey Nathan. I will PM you the info as my teacher wants things to be quiet.

08-23-2008, 01:48 AM	#15 (permalink)
natb19 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Phuket, Thailand Posts: 11	Thanks Tee Sok, I can understand him wanting to keep things quiet. __________________ www.mymuaythaichaiya.com

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