jayjayshap

hey guys whats up i am trying to figure out what is the best most effective and fastest way to learn mauy thai or boxing i can take either one i really want to do mauy thai and after i get the basics i want to be able to maybe start some boxing classes i take bjj right now which i have a judo and jjj backround i want to compete MMA my question is about how long will it take to have all of the basic techniques in mauy thai down so then i can learn more advanced techniques and improve my game my class is on tuesday,thursday and saturday on tuesday and thursday the class is from 6:30 until 9:00pm and on saturday it is sparring from 11:00 until 1:00pm and i am probably going to have private sessions with a professional mauy thai fighter is it possible to have a pretty good stand up and have all of the basic techinques down within a month

NuffSpeed

a month? I would not say you could have "pretty good standup" in a month, It takes alot of practice, did you have "pretty good ground" after a month of BJJ? Same deal my man, hard work and hours.

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sportmuaythai

There is a way to become fairly aquainted with muaythai basics within 45 days, but you'll have to make a very big sacrifice. You'll have to leave every thing and travel to Thailand to live in a muaythai camp and train there intensively. The cost of training and living wouldn't be much, but there will be the cost of round trip ticket, and you'll be away from your social circle. You'll train twice a day, and the training could be like boot camp. Friendly, but strenous. At the end, you'll not know enough muaythai to fight. That would take at least 3 months, but you'll know enough to train efficiently back home, especially with pro trainer. You'll also be physically fit to take real muaythai training. I reccommend that you look at Lana's web site. It's very well prepared. However, I don't reccommend that you train there. there are several better choices. Lana isn't a cheat camp, but they simply cannot provide intensive training to every student due to the number of students they take in, and the limited trainers they have on hand.
http://lannamuaythai.com/cgi-bin/s

us-navy-seal

Or of course, you could meet up with us at CQ training and practice our daily routines in Muay Thai with the EOD's and other SEALs.

The major thing to do is practice your techniques in repetition constantly.

In order to condition yourself, while working on techniques, here are a few tips (There is much more but this should be adequate for now):

Shadow Boxing (Improvised)-

Start off easy but begin to increase speed and thrust in incriments with jabs and various punches. Eventually (I know this may sound weird to you) Throw in Kihaps. (Loud expulsions of air in yells).

Eventually you will be going all out. Practice body dodges as you punch and then after you begin to feel the burn in your arms and abs (Push your body dodges slightly further until you feel the strain), move on to upper elbow strikes. This will work your lower arm muscles and your shoulders. Continue and don't stop until you think you can't do it anymore.

Take a break and do about 20 push-ups..nothing too hard just to keep the blood flowing.

Go back to elbows but start out in downward strikes, alternating arms. After you feel the burn there, place your hands up by your ears and swing your elbows in towards the center of your chest until your shoulders now feel completely worked.

For lower body, practice fast knees and I mean FAST. Continue to push yourself until your lower torso begins to work. (That'll take a while) Alternate between single knee rise and alternating knees.

Take another break but this time do full floor crunches. Lay flat on your back and then place you hands behind your head, lifting your upper body and legs at same time for about 30.

Work with various maneuvers over and over. You will begin to see results if you stick with it constantly.

For your lower legs-

Raise your knee up and balance. While holding your knee out try side kicks and front kicks over and over without bringing it back down.

Do so for both legs.

After going through Leg exercises, take another break, but now you sit on the floor and place your hands behind yourself. Sitting up with the support on your hands, bring your legs straight out off the ground and twirl them in and out of each other WHILE bringing them in and out.

Towards you and away from you.

This should help you better condition yourself as you work on the techniques as well.

Also, get the clinch down. MAJOR THING THERE. Work on keeping your opponent in the clinch and utilizing that knee and breaking from a clinch as well.

Khun Kao

Start off easy but begin to increase speed and thrust in incriments with jabs and various punches. Eventually (I know this may sound weird to you) Throw in Kihaps. (Loud expulsions of air in yells).

Why "Kihaps"? Those really have no place in Boxing or MuayThai.

(for the record, I agree with every other thing you posted)

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sportmuaythai

Do I understand correctly that Kihaps are the yells to enhance your exertion? If so, I do it all the time. In fact, all my trainers encourage me to do so.

jayjayshap

thanks for the info i posted on the forum before about my mauy thai class and the training did not seem right i went to my first class i never had good stand up i am so used to grappling when i was 14 years old i took jjj and judo for 3 years now i am 24 years old and am going to college i live in Florida right down the street from American Top Team the school i go to and in bjj i got the hang of it right away and plus i am used to being on the floor from my backround but when i went to the mauy thai class there were about 13 people 1 teacher and a fighter that was helping the teacher out when i got there the fighter that was working with the teacher took me on the side and was trying to teach me the correct stance and about 15 minutes later the teacher paired the whole class up and i still did not have the correct stance and we had to do a technique where someone would throw a jab and the other person would block the jab and counter with an elbow to the face then next we did a combination of a cross then elbow to the face then we had to end class with a drill of 10 kicks,front kicks,elbows,punches,knee's, and outside knee's to the heavy bag the drill was 10 kicks then 10 push up's and so on for everything and i was confused because i did not have the correct form or stance or for that matter know how to punch or kick during the whole class when i used to take jjj and judo you had to work on the correct form of whatever you were being taught until you have gotten it down that is how it is in bjj the white belts cannot roll or sparr until they get the correct technique in the mauy thai class he was saying throw a punch then an elbow he demonstrated the technique and that was about it how can i learn mauy thai the way the teacher is teaching i thought that he would work on my stance first before anything especially the right way to use my elbows and throw a punch,kick, and knee's the correct way at the school they also have a very well known boxing coach Howard Davis Jr. he is the olympic gold medalist of the 1976 games he recieved the Val Baker Award for most outstanding boxer during the games and he is the member of the New Jersey boxing hall of fame with a record of 36-6-1 14 KO's the mauy thai instructer is Cristian "King Cobra" Toleque record of 23-0 PKL International Cruiserwieght champion,2001 USA Extreme challenge champion and a Shin Do Kumate Title belt champion the mauy thai instructor has a awesome record but when i went to his class it was a real upset from what i said how his mauy thai class is am i going to have a chance to learn anything or should i do boxing i dont want to go to a class that i am not going to learn anything in i told my friend that works at the school about the class he is a proffesional fighter with 13 fights under him he only takes bjj and boxing and he told me i can get private lessons but they will cost from 75$ to 100$ either from him or any other fighter he said he is in to boxing and he does not know enough to really teach me mauy thai he said that if i want a private lesson in mauy thai i should get it from a fighter that is fighting in the UFC on August,16 his name is Tiago Alves and he is fighting Josh Neer what would you guys do if you were in my situation i want to compete eventually and i have no stand up at all

us-navy-seal

Kihap's or Kihai, increase your adrenaline rate and bring more energy into your body allowing you to go further with the training. Not only that, but the exertion is increased, therefore working your muscles to an even better degree.

EmptyneSs

i just breath out silently when i throw a punch.

Khun Kao

I guess I'm equating the "Kihaps" with the old "Ki-Yai" I used to do in Karate. I've always been taught that in MuayThai, you control your breathe as if you are not exerting yourself, which helps prevent you from breathing to hard and wearing yourself out.

This has been the same in Boxing. However, I've witnessed many boxers & Thai boxers (seasoned pro's) who do a short kinda "Ha!" during many strikes, but its a lot subtler than an outright "Ki-Yai". I sometimes do this myself.

I personally have never witnessed an outright "Ki-Yai" used in Boxing or MuayThai, and I don't believe it should be used. But short, sharp exhalations with a kinda "Ha!" seems to work.....

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sportmuaythai

That's what I do. Just one short utter, like ah! or uh!

Garland

Hiss through teeth when punching...SHHH!
Knee-TANG, only growl it.
Kick-ESH!
or really mean kick...AHHHHH-ESH!!!

and fireballs...HADOU KEN!
and tiger uppercut...of course....

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