Muay Boran (Muay Thai)

Dante4290 · 09-09-2006, 12:54 PM

Any body know where i can find an Instructer in Texas that teaches the art of Muay Boran(Muay Thai)???? I have been looking for a martial art for 8 years and i finally know what i want to do...after watching Ong Bak...I definitly know if i know what Tony Jaa knows....I can Definitly Defend myself as well as my Family and Some friends.

Thank you if you can help me out in searching for a class somewhere.

and if you can't find anything, thank you for at least attemping or giving me some advice.

With regards

Daniel

george stando · 09-09-2006, 10:18 PM

Daniel:
I am checking to see if the person I knew is still in texas that knew some good old style muay and krabi krabong. If the contact info is still good I will post it for you.
Also check out these dvds to give you an excellent foundation to start your training:
http://www.ancientmuay.com

http://www.bareknucklemuay.com

I like the old style myself.

George

Dante4290 · 09-11-2006, 10:35 AM

thanks George i really appreciate those links ill keep those in my favorites...till i can bring up the money to buy them. By the way George do you know the stances like Knight throwing Axe...thats all i can remember...hehe...sorry. but do you??

george stando · 09-11-2006, 07:45 PM

Sorry, I tried the numbers I had for the guy in Texas but they are all dead. He might have moved. If anything comes up I will post it.

Dont get caught up in the names of moves, when you work in the real stuff its about efficiency and putting the stuff to use. Thats what seperates it for me.

Dante4290 · 09-12-2006, 05:48 PM

So is your guy in the northwest part of houston by any chance??

george stando · 09-12-2006, 10:31 PM

No, he was in dallas...

Dante4290 · 09-13-2006, 09:24 AM

Ouch....Thanks....Ill keep looking for some in this or other general areas.

Crimson Khan · 09-13-2006, 09:57 AM

isnt it true that muay boran isnt the same as muay thai
and that muay boran is the ancestor of muay thai and is much older

this is by no means a fact, its just what i've heard and i thought i'd ask if its tru or not here

Khun Kao · 09-13-2006, 12:13 PM

Crimson Khan...

MuayBoran is just the modern day practice of the older Thai bareknuckle arts that predate sport MuayThai. There were lots of different styles of Bareknuckle Fighting in Thailand prior to the 20th century (divided up mostly by region). Muay Chaiya was one practiced in the area around Bangkok if I'm not mistaken.

Nowadays, the older styles are simply referred to as MuayBoran, which is translated to "Antique Boxing" (more or less). Its very hard to find LEGITIMATE MuayBoran training. The links provided by George Stando above are excellent. Colonel Amnat Pooksrisuk is the real deal!

Crimson Khan · 09-13-2006, 12:49 PM

hey thanks alot for that
helps so much

Sammeung · 09-13-2006, 01:35 PM

Muay Boran(Muay=Muaythai,Boran=Ancient)
Muay Boran is Ancient Art of Muaythai being practiced and used in Battlefield.When Warriors were not fighting in the Battlefield,they would participate in Competitions,if both contestants were agreed to fight and win by way of surender, blood drawn or kill.Old day of Muaythai,there were not many strict rules,fighters were allowed to use 9 limbs,grappling,throwing to the floor and followed up with strikes while opponent on the ground.
Since 1930 Boxing Rules adopted and made it more humain Sport.Introduced Boxing Ring,Gloves,Guards,Rounds, Weight Catagories etc.
In the past 4 years Muaythai rules are still changing for a welfare of fighters.
Muaythai fighters use more simple techniques in order to win the fight.Ancient Muaythai techniques are not being practiced like before.There are Muaythai Camps still practicing the Ancient Art of Muaythai.Muay Chaiya(Muaythai in Chaiya Province,South of Thailand) is now based in Bangkok and Muay Chaiyuth,there are many teachers are still teaching Muay Boran techniques to students when they see fit and when students asked them.

Crimson Khan · 09-13-2006, 01:44 PM

aaah i see
thanx for that also man

yea, i think in the last muay thai fight i went to the fighter from thailand, called pinpetch (if i remember rite) was the BEST fighter i've ever seen in my entire life
and i've watched buakaw, rammon dekkers etc.
i mean, those r my 2 favourites
and this guy would lose to them BUT
this was by far the best fight i've ever seen
in the final round he was ahead by a fair bit so he started doing some VERY complex interesting moves, i guessed they were muay boran, but wasnt sure the exact definition of muay boran so kept my mouth shut lol

he did some excellent moves!
i wish so bad that i had it on video (i'll be asking the holders of the fight if there is a video available)
coz man
it was incredible, and i've seen good thai fighting before but DAM
hahahaha, it was a few weeks ago now but i still cant get it out of my mind hahaha

Dante4290 · 09-13-2006, 03:17 PM

Khun Kao .....so how many more training videos does Colonel Amnat Pooksrisuk have anyway?...If i can't find any classes here near my area..without having to drive a long way....then wouldn't it be better if i just trained at home??

Khun Kao · 09-13-2006, 04:57 PM

I understand that apart from the 2 listed above, there is a 3rd DVD released in Thailand through their Ministry of Education. The Colonel promised to send me a copy, but he said its going to take some time before he is able.

I'll try to find out from him how other people can get copies of it. I think he has trouble getting copies of it for himself.

george stando · 09-13-2006, 05:11 PM

There are several more dvds. One produced in europe, one produced in Thailand as Khun Kao mentioned and a documentary in thai that the colonel worked on. Vincent Giordano has them. I think alot of people were emailing in for them so I think he is going to make those available through the vanishing flame email newsletter for the members who bought the dvds. I was asking myself and he just sent me an email on it. Vincents DVD collection is beyond believeable, so hopefully in the future he'll put out just the stuff from his vaults.........let alone all the stuff he shot over the last few years.

Sorry I couldnt be of anymore help. Muay Boran is a general base of techs from the old style, you would want more specific training in systems like chaiya, lanna, khorat to get close to the actual ways of using it. Just my 2 cents but in light of the very few if any masters then the two DVDs by Colonel Amnat would serve you well because its really the basics laid out one on the theories and the other on the progress of simple techniques. I think the europe one is just col amnat doing the techs one after another which might complement one and two. Well worth getting theres over 3 1/2 hours on both dvds, so you will be able to get stuff to practice without a doubt from there.

If I hear of any more info I will post more. daniel, email me and I'll put you in touch with Vincent since you should be on his email newsletter list. He can probably give you a deal on the DVDs which he does for his members and it will save you alot of money. Hes kinda of cool that way.

09-09-2006, 12:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dante4290 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 20 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Muay Boran (Muay Thai) Any body know where i can find an Instructer in Texas that teaches the art of Muay Boran(Muay Thai)???? I have been looking for a martial art for 8 years and i finally know what i want to do...after watching Ong Bak...I definitly know if i know what Tony Jaa knows....I can Definitly Defend myself as well as my Family and Some friends. Thank you if you can help me out in searching for a class somewhere. and if you can't find anything, thank you for at least attemping or giving me some advice. With regards Daniel

09-13-2006, 09:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
Crimson Khan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 16 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	isnt it true that muay boran isnt the same as muay thai and that muay boran is the ancestor of muay thai and is much older this is by no means a fact, its just what i've heard and i thought i'd ask if its tru or not here __________________ Truth For Truth, Lie For Lie Tooth For Tooth, Eye For Eye

09-13-2006, 12:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
Khun Kao Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 823 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Crimson Khan... MuayBoran is just the modern day practice of the older Thai bareknuckle arts that predate sport MuayThai. There were lots of different styles of Bareknuckle Fighting in Thailand prior to the 20th century (divided up mostly by region). Muay Chaiya was one practiced in the area around Bangkok if I'm not mistaken. Nowadays, the older styles are simply referred to as MuayBoran, which is translated to "Antique Boxing" (more or less). Its very hard to find LEGITIMATE MuayBoran training. The links provided by George Stando above are excellent. Colonel Amnat Pooksrisuk is the real deal! __________________ Kru Brooks C. Miller USMTA Director of DC, MD, and VA http://khunkao.com/

09-13-2006, 12:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
Crimson Khan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 16 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	hey thanks alot for that helps so much __________________ Truth For Truth, Lie For Lie Tooth For Tooth, Eye For Eye

09-13-2006, 01:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
Crimson Khan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 16 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	aaah i see thanx for that also man yea, i think in the last muay thai fight i went to the fighter from thailand, called pinpetch (if i remember rite) was the BEST fighter i've ever seen in my entire life and i've watched buakaw, rammon dekkers etc. i mean, those r my 2 favourites and this guy would lose to them BUT this was by far the best fight i've ever seen in the final round he was ahead by a fair bit so he started doing some VERY complex interesting moves, i guessed they were muay boran, but wasnt sure the exact definition of muay boran so kept my mouth shut lol he did some excellent moves! i wish so bad that i had it on video (i'll be asking the holders of the fight if there is a video available) coz man it was incredible, and i've seen good thai fighting before but DAM hahahaha, it was a few weeks ago now but i still cant get it out of my mind hahaha __________________ Truth For Truth, Lie For Lie Tooth For Tooth, Eye For Eye

09-09-2006, 10:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
george stando Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: East coast soon Bangkok Posts: 188 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Daniel: I am checking to see if the person I knew is still in texas that knew some good old style muay and krabi krabong. If the contact info is still good I will post it for you. Also check out these dvds to give you an excellent foundation to start your training: http://www.ancientmuay.com http://www.bareknucklemuay.com I like the old style myself. George

09-11-2006, 10:35 AM	#3 (permalink)
Dante4290 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 20 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks George i really appreciate those links ill keep those in my favorites...till i can bring up the money to buy them. By the way George do you know the stances like Knight throwing Axe...thats all i can remember...hehe...sorry. but do you??

09-11-2006, 07:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
george stando Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: East coast soon Bangkok Posts: 188 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sorry, I tried the numbers I had for the guy in Texas but they are all dead. He might have moved. If anything comes up I will post it. Dont get caught up in the names of moves, when you work in the real stuff its about efficiency and putting the stuff to use. Thats what seperates it for me.

09-12-2006, 05:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
Dante4290 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 20 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	So is your guy in the northwest part of houston by any chance??

09-12-2006, 10:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
george stando Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: East coast soon Bangkok Posts: 188 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	No, he was in dallas...

09-13-2006, 09:24 AM	#7 (permalink)
Dante4290 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 20 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ouch....Thanks....Ill keep looking for some in this or other general areas.

09-13-2006, 01:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
Sammeung Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 12 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Muay Boran(Muay=Muaythai,Boran=Ancient) Muay Boran is Ancient Art of Muaythai being practiced and used in Battlefield.When Warriors were not fighting in the Battlefield,they would participate in Competitions,if both contestants were agreed to fight and win by way of surender, blood drawn or kill.Old day of Muaythai,there were not many strict rules,fighters were allowed to use 9 limbs,grappling,throwing to the floor and followed up with strikes while opponent on the ground. Since 1930 Boxing Rules adopted and made it more humain Sport.Introduced Boxing Ring,Gloves,Guards,Rounds, Weight Catagories etc. In the past 4 years Muaythai rules are still changing for a welfare of fighters. Muaythai fighters use more simple techniques in order to win the fight.Ancient Muaythai techniques are not being practiced like before.There are Muaythai Camps still practicing the Ancient Art of Muaythai.Muay Chaiya(Muaythai in Chaiya Province,South of Thailand) is now based in Bangkok and Muay Chaiyuth,there are many teachers are still teaching Muay Boran techniques to students when they see fit and when students asked them.

09-13-2006, 03:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
Dante4290 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 20 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Khun Kao .....so how many more training videos does Colonel Amnat Pooksrisuk have anyway?...If i can't find any classes here near my area..without having to drive a long way....then wouldn't it be better if i just trained at home??

09-13-2006, 04:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
Khun Kao Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 823 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I understand that apart from the 2 listed above, there is a 3rd DVD released in Thailand through their Ministry of Education. The Colonel promised to send me a copy, but he said its going to take some time before he is able. I'll try to find out from him how other people can get copies of it. I think he has trouble getting copies of it for himself. __________________ Kru Brooks C. Miller USMTA Director of DC, MD, and VA http://khunkao.com/

09-13-2006, 05:11 PM	#15 (permalink)
george stando Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: East coast soon Bangkok Posts: 188 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	There are several more dvds. One produced in europe, one produced in Thailand as Khun Kao mentioned and a documentary in thai that the colonel worked on. Vincent Giordano has them. I think alot of people were emailing in for them so I think he is going to make those available through the vanishing flame email newsletter for the members who bought the dvds. I was asking myself and he just sent me an email on it. Vincents DVD collection is beyond believeable, so hopefully in the future he'll put out just the stuff from his vaults.........let alone all the stuff he shot over the last few years. Sorry I couldnt be of anymore help. Muay Boran is a general base of techs from the old style, you would want more specific training in systems like chaiya, lanna, khorat to get close to the actual ways of using it. Just my 2 cents but in light of the very few if any masters then the two DVDs by Colonel Amnat would serve you well because its really the basics laid out one on the theories and the other on the progress of simple techniques. I think the europe one is just col amnat doing the techs one after another which might complement one and two. Well worth getting theres over 3 1/2 hours on both dvds, so you will be able to get stuff to practice without a doubt from there. If I hear of any more info I will post more. daniel, email me and I'll put you in touch with Vincent since you should be on his email newsletter list. He can probably give you a deal on the DVDs which he does for his members and it will save you alot of money. Hes kinda of cool that way.

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