7r14ngL3Ch0k3

Ofcoarse not, im positive i never implied i did.

Fair enough.



'We' would be Judo_Jiboo, Cowpaste, and myself.

So just how is the TKD fighter and better athlete than the Thai boxer? Ive been waiting for your explanation on that...


No. Except for the post #17, that was my only irrelevant post. Every other post of mine in this thread has been very relevent and im still waiting for your explanations.

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Oh, and you Neg repping me saying....

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kurt_myers0369

I'd have to agree, you haven't really supported your statements from the beginning. And talking shit to a teenager in a neg rep isn't helping your credibility, although from what I've read in other posts, you didn't have much to begin with. Just observations from an objective third person...

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Troll Virus

LOL. My my, the Trolls are multiplying!

Could you guys maybe use a random number of ...

It's a giveaway I highlighted before, by underlining ...

You make it too easy to spot.

Oh and 7r14ngL3Ch0k3, that neg rep you sent me saying;

That was way inventive.

7r14ngL3Ch0k3

What are you talking about?

That wasnt me. I really hope youre not making that up because thats really sad if you are.

Troll Virus

Learn grammar and punctuation please.

eXcessiveForce

Funny troll virus, I don't see that statement in your rep.

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eXcessiveForce

okay, I watched the clip. having some familiarity with both here are my thoughts.

I don't know that I can agree that one athlete is more athletic than the other, This is very hard to tell especially since MT doesn't move a whole lot and they absorb shots.


What I did see was a TKD'er who was not familiar with the defending against leg grabs or leg kicks. While his movement is smooth and his kicks were pretty quick, his targeting and setups were lacking. The threw so low probability shots and paid for them.

The fight progressed very much like a MT fight, I notice many of you are focusing on the exclusions but the inclusions are equally as important.

while hands to the head were not allowed, restricting both fighters. If i were facing a MT fighter, i'd definitely want to include hands to the head.

The linclusion of leg grabs, leg kicks, and pushing takes this well out of the realm of a TKD competition. That being said, the TKD'er seemed to lack preperation for these inclusions.

In this case the MT guy is clearly the winner as he was able to take the shots he recieved and negate many of his oppenents attacks while the TKD'er was unable to negate the leg kicks and grabs of the MT guy.

Just shows that you need to prepare for the rule set you will be fighting under and if you want to extrapolate to real life that you need to look for the things that could happen that you aren't training against. Against a better kicker the jump spin kick the MT guy took could have ended the fight. In this case it didn't but this is something that the MT guy should train against in the future.

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Tom Yum

Serkan Yilmaz has fought and knocked out K-1 kickboxers, using TKD's trademark spin kicks. He still lacks in leg kick defense and while he can throw one or two hard punches, lags a little in boxing but otherwise is a good example of how flashy kicks can land and stop full-contact fighters.

If he can do that against trained, resisting professionals, it can probably be done on the street as well...

Another traditional arts guy who fought in Thailand w/ traditional style MA kicks was Manson "Black Bruce Lee" Gibson.



Before I get jumped by the anti-McDojo crowd, the fact is that this guy can get the job done and still has potential considering he's fought decision losses to K-1's best. 2/3 of his wins are by KO.

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The_Judo_Jibboo

i thought hands to the head weren't allowed in normal tkd competition anyway.

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So the real message here is that in a SD situation you should always take off your trousers...
-jubaji

eXcessiveForce

Depends on the TKD system. but both systems have hands to the head, MT just trains them in sparring whereas many TKD systems do not.

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Troll Virus

Not a good comparison really.
MT as an art is expressed largely as a full contact sport (with various rule limitations).
TKD (trying to be fair here) is typically expressed in a more controlled manner.

ITF TKD uses two formats internally.
One being 'point stop', the other being 'continuous'
'Hands to the head' are uncommon in 'point stop', but more frequent in 'continuous', at least internally.
Outwith TKD, many exponents do enter more open forms of tournament and many do well.


Just one more example of how rules = sport = odious comparison.




As to my comments about athleticism or lack of;
I'm a student of human form and have been for many years.
As an instructor with not a few years experience under my belt, I can spot someone with potential a mile off.
The comment was never intended to entrench a Pro-TKD stance, though I understand why kids on here want everything in life pidgeonholed.

The topic of this thread, is the mpeg posted, and not my comments.
I gave an opinion on what I saw.#That's all it was, an opinion.

I don't want to go down the route of yet another futile 'style vs style' debate, hence I've little time for people who have either been in MA for a short time, will be in MA for a short time, or who have learned naff all from MA in a long time (Thai Bride, that's you).

Speaking from personal experience;
I've trained with some very hard 'old school' TKD people, who would put most people here in a box 1st round.

Yes, TKD is a popular art, and therefore 99% of people in it are crap.
It's that 1% you need to watch out for.
The same goes for many arts/styles.

Apologies, I should have just slagged off TKD like every other mindless eedjit on here.

eXcessiveForce

that wasn't a comparision, I have trained and studied several different tkd systems. It was a statement of fact. Many systems of tkd do not use hands to the head in sparring. Some however do.

With the rules being used, I would want hands to the head. As a TKD instructor for many years if they can grab, push and throw low line kicks I want to open up the hands to the head. But that's me.

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The_Judo_Jibboo

but do you think doing that would have helped the tkd guy more than the muay thai guy?

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So the real message here is that in a SD situation you should always take off your trousers...
-jubaji

fijeeboi

If they allowed hits to the head im pretty sure the TKD would get knocked out.

eXcessiveForce

for him, probably not, in this case. This person was very poorly prepared for this fight. I don't care how good you are, or what you train, if you do not prepare for the type of fight you are going to have you are taking a huge risk.

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