Garland

My take on the whole thing...

1) The arguments that both Pinker and Spelke presented give substantial credence to the argument that men and women differ in cognitive abilities. According to Pinker, there are three different explanations for this phenomenon; extreme nature, wherein males have natural talents not inherent in women that make them more suitable to perform certain tasks, extreme nurture, which states that males and females are biologically indistinguishable, yet are socialized to have different cognitive abilities, and finally the case of an intermediate, mixed nature and nurture effects lead to the cognitive difference found between the sexes. Of these three possible explanations presented by Pinker, the most popular, and the most realistic is the intermediate case. I have a strong inclination to agree with this, also, seeing as most things within the person tend to be effected upon by both a priori biological influences and external socialization. Saying which of these two influences has the most impact is not for me to say, but I do believe that there is a stronger genetic and biological component to the cognitive discrepancies due to the fact that they are found across cultures. Our culture, however, has a tendency to place a great deal of importance on timed standardized tests which seem to favor the particular fashion in which men do mathematical problems, which consequently creates a built in bias against women wishing to enter particular fields of study, namely science and mathematics.

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Garland

seriously... women do much worse in spatial reasoning tasks and mental rotation tasks than men...

but men seem to have worser (lol) verbal acuity, and don't do as well as women in solving formulaic mathematical problems...(but we tend to do better at solving novel math problems...with the exception of myself...if it has numbers, it may as well be greek)

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Garland

Intersex conditions

"congenital anomaly of the reproductive and sexual system."

born with sex chromosomes, external genitalia, or an internal reproductive system that is not considered "standard" for either male or female.

Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female - one in 100 births
Total number of people receiving surgery to "normalize" genital appearanceone or two in 1,000 births
Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome
Complete AIS occurs in approximately 1 in 20,000 births
Fetus is XY, but body's cells are unable to respond to androgen, or "male" hormones
Fetus has testicles that produce androgens, fetal mullerian ducts regress
Fetus lacks uterus, fallopian tubes, and cervix plus upper part of vagina
BUT
Genital cells don’t respond to testosterone, so outer genitals develop as female (short vagina with no cervix)
Undescended testicles, must be removed due to risk of cancer
Little pubic hair, sterile, may grow breasts at puberty if testes are present and secrete some estrogen
Partial ASI
More common
Ambiguous genitalia, large clitoris or small penis that is hypospadic
Usually subjected to corrective surgery
Adrenal hyperplasia
Happens in XX fetus with a frequency of about 1 in 20000 births
Anomoly of adrenal function causes the synthesis and excretion an androgen precursor, initiating masculinization of XX fetus
Ambiguous or male genitalia
May have serious health problem
Masculinization continues after birth

Klinefelter’s Syndrome
47XXY
Occurs in 1 in every 500-1000 males
Sterility, breast development, incomplete masculine body build (tall but not muscular) and social and/or school learning problems, language deficits
Smaller brains in many areas (prefrontal cortex, basal ganglia)
Testosterone helps
Turner’s Syndrome
XO females, occurs in 1 of 2500 births
Ovaries do not develop normally
May have heart problem, webbed neck
May never menstruate or stop when very young
Average height 4’7”
Sterile
Estrogen can help
XYY
XYY occurs in approximately 1 per 1,000
Unusually active, rough and tumble
Minor learning problems, difficulty in school
More in prison???
Fertile, don’t need treatment
XXX
1 in 1000 female births
More quiet and passive
Delayed motor and language development
May be somewhat taller than normal
Somewhat lower IQ
Fertile, normal puberty



this doesn't even go into mosaic's...talk about bizarro...check that shit out. :EEK:

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J-Luck

[quote=treelizard;273162]A great deal, indeed. And of course, as we both know, hitting a pad is merely the start. Two moving people, with some training, the intelligence comes into play even more so. And with grappling, forget it.

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J-Luck

Spanks for supporting my arguement with outside sources. I'm usually too lazy to SHOW why I'm right, I figure, why waste my time if I'm right? lol.

And just as there are exeptional women in the area of spacial and mechanical intelligence, there are men who happen to test higher in areas traditionally dominated by women. We are merely speaking in generic terms.

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Tompa1234

Ofcourse the man would win, if you think a woman would win you´re .....not very smart hehe.

Men are faster, stronger and have better reflexes than woman. Just look at games like Counter Strike, men totaly dominates that game and that should prove that men have better reflexes than woman.

I don´t think that I have to explain why men are faster and stronger...

J-Luck

After arguments put forth by Mike, Tim, Excessive, Garland, and myself, I'm not sure why you would even imput with something so trivial.

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treelizard

Don't forget that women perform better on memory tests and have much higher fine motor skill ability.

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Tompa1234

Hey I just wanted to state my opinion, that men beat woman in almost any kind of sport, physical/skill/reflex demanding.

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(from the MMA Mongolian wrestling thread)
why do Mongolian wrestlers wear sleeves but no jackets?

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treelizard

[quote=J-Luck;273334]I totally disagree with that. Little kids can hit pads. People without any mathematical knowledge whatsoever can hit pads. But I'm curious, did you watch the video and look at the pictures of women beating men in Thaiboxing that I posted? Do you really think it was due to their superior spatial and mechanical intelligence?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...76419910054798

She's not the only one.

Juliana Borges tied for 1st in the mens ADVANCED division at NAGA one year.

Leilana Akiyama outwrestles boys: http://fhsw.com/Leilani%20Akiyama%20Page.htm

Adreianna Jenkins has fought and beat guys too, in grappling.

Kelly Kobold suplexed a guy, threw him for five, slammed him on his head, let him get to his knees, locked in a standing guillotine, dropped back to guard and choked him out.

Kelyn was a silver medalist in several MEN'S lightweight divisions

Women fighting men: No, not all of them lost:
http://www.womenboxing.com/NEWS2005/...ightingmen.htm
(Jackie Tonawanda, Christy Foster, Sunshine Fettkether, Joann Haegen)

This chick won the boy's state title in wrestling in Alaska:
http://home.gci.net/~ausaw/1st_in_USA.htm
http://www.adn.com/static/multimedia...son/index.html

This in addition to the Thaiboxing matches I posted.
Sunshine again: http://www.womenkickboxing.com/fettkether_pittman.htm
Elmont vs. Philemon: http://www.killer-queen.nl/video.html#
http://www.womenkickboxing.com/male_femalebouts.htm
Takako Shimoseki
Yvonne Chavez vs Wilfred Parra
Asako Yonezawa-Saioka(vs Kiken "Danger" Takayama

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Little Apple

Oh I know, I'm one of those women who isn't good at parking, but you didn't have to tease us about it.

As a random side note: studies show (don't remember the name of the researcher/book I found this in, but I can look it up if you like) that in any random physical activity, a human male will do better than a human female with one exception: long distance swimming. Apparently if you take a bunch of chicks, and a bunch of dudes, and make them swim, the chicks can go for longer. This says nothing about taking a single woman and training the crap out of her in something, but there you go.

J-Luck

[quote=treelizard;273386]Ahhhh, so your argument is based on showing that there can be exeptions. lol very nice. I'm done debating you now. I've proven my point beyond a reasonable doubt, and you've shown that this is personal for you...

Good luck!

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treelizard

[quote=J-Luck;273400]Kind of odd for you to say this is personal for me when I already said in my first post on this thread that the guy would normally win... I just think it's due to men being better able to handle blunt trauma and physical/hormonal factors, not spatial and mechanical reasoning. It'd be fun, though. Maybe they could use that for the next UFC: pick team members based on math tests instead of fighting skill.

I would be interested in seeing your studies on the correlation between spatial and mechanical reasoning and fighting ability... especially if you have any studies by psychologists (you know, those who are qualified to interpret and determine the functions of intelligence).

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