The Ultimate in Martial Arts

Tee Sok · 09-24-2007, 09:09 AM

This is not even sparring...what a bad thing for Muay Chayia.

Tee Sok · 09-24-2007, 09:33 AM

And also why does kru Praeng have to talk bad about other
Chayia teachers such as the monk who was kru Tong's student too and
I heard from a reliable source that he knows how to fight.
Sportmuaythai's post proves that he's also a good teacher since his
student won a bareknuckle bout with a Burmese boxer, that's surely not
an easy task!

He's not the only Chayia teacher kru Praeng has been trying to downgrade,
I met a Chayia teacher from BKK and he was kind, humble and nice and he never talked bad about anyone and in the end other teachers do not care
about kru Praeng's claims they just want to do their job in peace.

george stando · 09-24-2007, 08:22 PM

Best thing is where is the great mai muay? Praeng can dance it but he certainly cant use it or teach how to use it realistically. Its an excellent case in point. So why do I need the mai muay chaiya DVD?

Kru Praeng believes he can criticize and be the godhead of muay chaiya while not proving any skill or any anything other than dancing. I give him the award for "best dancer"of the year, leave the fighting to the fighters and people who understand fighting.

Its such a beautiful example of the graceless stupidity that has taken hold and an ample example of people to avoid in martial arts.

In this day and age, why get involved in politics of another land with people of no intelligence or skill? Find teachers that embody the truth of their martial art and give it in an ego less way that is beneficial for all involved. I feel for the poor guy who travels all the way around the world to train and get involved in this non sense.

fire cobra · 09-25-2007, 01:02 PM

Those guys obviously are not going full contact,they must have set some rules for a friendly light sparring contest or something like that.

jg7 · 09-25-2007, 04:52 PM

Hi Guys,

This is John,

Wanted to ask a question, does tradational muay thai have throws and locks as i see in muay chaiya they seem to have throws and locks, is this the only thai boxing style that has this?
Also is muay chaiya an effective street art for self defence?
thanks

John

fire cobra · 09-25-2007, 05:00 PM

Not when its done like that it isnt!

**Garland** · 09-25-2007, 05:04 PM

...THAT was pretty lame.
It degenerated into what looked like a goddamned drunken brawl at the end of it...with Khru Lek's guy pulling off some decent single leg takedowns...
But...seriously...that was sad.
I'm seriously disillusioned.

jg7 · 09-25-2007, 05:22 PM

Hi Sports muay thai,

have you practiced the traditional muay thai and the muay chaiya, as i am very interested in learning about throws and locks in this art, advice much appreciated

john

george stando · 09-25-2007, 06:43 PM

Sportmuaythai might be able to provide a better answer but it seemed to me there were a few basics throws and locks, more quick tactics than extensive tactics akin to judo, jiujitsu, and the like. They had some nice self defense techs in the self defense part. But like I said maybe sportmuaythai can elaborate or tell us more about that.

jg7 · 09-25-2007, 07:24 PM

Hi George,

Have you studied Muay Chaiya,as you understand it very well reading from your posts.

Is this art worth learning?

or is the ring muay thai good enough, from what i have seen of muay chaiya clips this style would get wiped out in a real fight in the ring,there kicks look week,there punches look week, standing on one leg in a fight is dangerous as you will fall down,

what is the logic behind this style is it for real.

Put a muay chaiya guy in the mma and they will get a beating regardless of who the persons teacher is in thailand.

John

john

george stando · 09-25-2007, 10:02 PM

All I can do is give you my opinion. If you want to fight, learn to fight and fight. Muay Thai is tremendous in that respect. I liked some of the muay chaiya self defense and stuff like that. There are teachers who are good at fighitng within muay chaiya but not the commercial ones ranting and raving like on these forums. Even in the major bare knuckle competitions like for the april holiday, they send muay thai guys to fight. The muay chaiya dudes and all the others should be trying their hand at that against the burmese. I would say muay thai is great then you get the subtles of lerd rit or krabi krabong or muay chaiya because you already tempered by the tough and direct muay thai training since they are all inter related its good. Thats what I want to do in the future. I will always continue with muay thai and fight but i will learn the others too. I enjoy them even though I rant on here like a lunatic, I just dont like the politics it ruins the very fun of learning and training because the thai people are alot of fun to be with and train hard with.

MMA is just the best, one of the most beautiful sports to me in the world. If you want to do MMA, then you can stay right where you are and do it or go to brazil. I love MMA.

Hopefully sportmuaythai will give you his insights but those are my own honest ones.

sportmuaythai · 09-26-2007, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jg7

Hi Guys,
This is John,

Wanted to ask a question, does tradational muay thai have throws and locks as i see in muay chaiya they seem to have throws and locks, is this the only thai boxing style that has this?
Also is muay chaiya an effective street art for self defence?
thanks
John

Muaythai does have clinching and throws. But not on the ground fight. This muay chaiya fight came about because kru Praeng clan rave about on the ground tactics that they have, while kru Lek's students claimed that they could win without "on the ground technique".

Quote:

Originally Posted by fire cobra

Those guys obviously are not going full contact,they must have set some rules for a friendly light sparring contest or something like that.

Sorry cobra, this was an all out fight.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportmuaythai

The guy in the grey sleeveless T-shirt is a kru Praeng's instructor, and the other is kru Lek's student.

The fighter from kru Praeng said that the fight was stopped when his opponent was badly cut and his nose was bleeding all over.
BTW I don't see any move that could be called muay chaiya in this fight except for a brief foot work right at the begining, by kru Praeng's instructor. My son (who has zero training in martial art) took a brief glance at my request, and commented that it looked like two untrained teenagers brawling, and it's exactly how I feel. I think that both kru Praeng and kru lek lack experience and understanding of real fight, and the result shows. Muay chaiya has history, so it obviously has merits. However, I feel that it must be frequently tested if it is to be efficient and up to date. Currently, kru Praeng is using this fight to promote his school extensively.

george stando · 09-26-2007, 10:18 AM

Kru Praengs ground tactics are laughable, actually when i was in thailand one of his guys showed me some of it which was easily defeatable and laughable at best.

He's using that fight to promote his school is crazy only gulliable thai people would see that as something valuable to learn. As they teach it, its an old dance of techniques without any knowledge how to use them.

I agree they have no fighting knowledge or dont know how to make the moves work in a real confrontation. Any american or foreigner would look at that and laugh and not bother with any training that would produce that result after years of training. Its a real shame because like I said they made a mess out of everything with all this senseless infighting.

Muay Khorat actually is more viable to a modern situation and is better to learn and no politics. Khorat is the most fertile region even now for muay and it gave muay chaiya so many problems and developed alot of legendary fighters that chaiya adopted some khorat techs.

jg7 · 09-26-2007, 12:03 PM

Hi George,
Your knowledge is very deep and it is good to have top guys like you on the forum, do you know of a Guy in Italy teaching krabi krabong sitrat style he shows a lot of Muay thai does this particular school in thailand have this hand to hand stuff and if you have seen it is it effective or not?

thanks

john

Tee Sok · 09-26-2007, 03:32 PM

There's been a thread about this, you can read here:

pekiti tirsia kali vs krabi krabong

George, I heard the same thing about Muay Korat when I asked thai teachers
aout it. Korat teachers tend to keep things low and quiet and will even say they know little or that they don't know it if they don't know you.
That's how it works in Thailand, and it's yet another example of kru Praeng's
propaganda and selling plans.

09-25-2007, 04:52 PM	#20 (permalink)
jg7 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 23 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Muay Thai Locks and Throws Hi Guys, This is John, Wanted to ask a question, does tradational muay thai have throws and locks as i see in muay chaiya they seem to have throws and locks, is this the only thai boxing style that has this? Also is muay chaiya an effective street art for self defence? thanks John

09-25-2007, 05:04 PM	#22 (permalink)
Garland Premiere Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 5,274 Groans: 1 Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts	...THAT was pretty lame. It degenerated into what looked like a goddamned drunken brawl at the end of it...with Khru Lek's guy pulling off some decent single leg takedowns... But...seriously...that was sad. I'm seriously disillusioned. __________________ homo homini lupus

09-25-2007, 05:22 PM	#23 (permalink)
jg7 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 23 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Muay Thai Locks and Throws Hi Sports muay thai, have you practiced the traditional muay thai and the muay chaiya, as i am very interested in learning about throws and locks in this art, advice much appreciated john

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09-24-2007, 09:09 AM	#16 (permalink)
Tee Sok Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 479 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	This is not even sparring...what a bad thing for Muay Chayia.

09-24-2007, 09:33 AM	#17 (permalink)
Tee Sok Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 479 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	And also why does kru Praeng have to talk bad about other Chayia teachers such as the monk who was kru Tong's student too and I heard from a reliable source that he knows how to fight. Sportmuaythai's post proves that he's also a good teacher since his student won a bareknuckle bout with a Burmese boxer, that's surely not an easy task! He's not the only Chayia teacher kru Praeng has been trying to downgrade, I met a Chayia teacher from BKK and he was kind, humble and nice and he never talked bad about anyone and in the end other teachers do not care about kru Praeng's claims they just want to do their job in peace.

09-24-2007, 08:22 PM	#18 (permalink)
george stando Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bangkok and beyond Posts: 703 Groans: 48 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Best thing is where is the great mai muay? Praeng can dance it but he certainly cant use it or teach how to use it realistically. Its an excellent case in point. So why do I need the mai muay chaiya DVD? Kru Praeng believes he can criticize and be the godhead of muay chaiya while not proving any skill or any anything other than dancing. I give him the award for "best dancer"of the year, leave the fighting to the fighters and people who understand fighting. Its such a beautiful example of the graceless stupidity that has taken hold and an ample example of people to avoid in martial arts. In this day and age, why get involved in politics of another land with people of no intelligence or skill? Find teachers that embody the truth of their martial art and give it in an ego less way that is beneficial for all involved. I feel for the poor guy who travels all the way around the world to train and get involved in this non sense.

09-25-2007, 01:02 PM	#19 (permalink)
fire cobra Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: north east england Posts: 808 Groans: 1 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Those guys obviously are not going full contact,they must have set some rules for a friendly light sparring contest or something like that.

09-25-2007, 05:00 PM	#21 (permalink)
fire cobra Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: north east england Posts: 808 Groans: 1 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Not when its done like that it isnt!

09-25-2007, 06:43 PM	#24 (permalink)
george stando Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bangkok and beyond Posts: 703 Groans: 48 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sportmuaythai might be able to provide a better answer but it seemed to me there were a few basics throws and locks, more quick tactics than extensive tactics akin to judo, jiujitsu, and the like. They had some nice self defense techs in the self defense part. But like I said maybe sportmuaythai can elaborate or tell us more about that.

09-25-2007, 07:24 PM	#25 (permalink)
jg7 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 23 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi George, Have you studied Muay Chaiya,as you understand it very well reading from your posts. Is this art worth learning? or is the ring muay thai good enough, from what i have seen of muay chaiya clips this style would get wiped out in a real fight in the ring,there kicks look week,there punches look week, standing on one leg in a fight is dangerous as you will fall down, what is the logic behind this style is it for real. Put a muay chaiya guy in the mma and they will get a beating regardless of who the persons teacher is in thailand. John john

09-25-2007, 10:02 PM	#26 (permalink)
george stando Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bangkok and beyond Posts: 703 Groans: 48 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	All I can do is give you my opinion. If you want to fight, learn to fight and fight. Muay Thai is tremendous in that respect. I liked some of the muay chaiya self defense and stuff like that. There are teachers who are good at fighitng within muay chaiya but not the commercial ones ranting and raving like on these forums. Even in the major bare knuckle competitions like for the april holiday, they send muay thai guys to fight. The muay chaiya dudes and all the others should be trying their hand at that against the burmese. I would say muay thai is great then you get the subtles of lerd rit or krabi krabong or muay chaiya because you already tempered by the tough and direct muay thai training since they are all inter related its good. Thats what I want to do in the future. I will always continue with muay thai and fight but i will learn the others too. I enjoy them even though I rant on here like a lunatic, I just dont like the politics it ruins the very fun of learning and training because the thai people are alot of fun to be with and train hard with. MMA is just the best, one of the most beautiful sports to me in the world. If you want to do MMA, then you can stay right where you are and do it or go to brazil. I love MMA. Hopefully sportmuaythai will give you his insights but those are my own honest ones.

09-26-2007, 10:18 AM	#28 (permalink)
george stando Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bangkok and beyond Posts: 703 Groans: 48 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Kru Praengs ground tactics are laughable, actually when i was in thailand one of his guys showed me some of it which was easily defeatable and laughable at best. He's using that fight to promote his school is crazy only gulliable thai people would see that as something valuable to learn. As they teach it, its an old dance of techniques without any knowledge how to use them. I agree they have no fighting knowledge or dont know how to make the moves work in a real confrontation. Any american or foreigner would look at that and laugh and not bother with any training that would produce that result after years of training. Its a real shame because like I said they made a mess out of everything with all this senseless infighting. Muay Khorat actually is more viable to a modern situation and is better to learn and no politics. Khorat is the most fertile region even now for muay and it gave muay chaiya so many problems and developed alot of legendary fighters that chaiya adopted some khorat techs.

09-26-2007, 12:03 PM	#29 (permalink)
jg7 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 23 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi George, Your knowledge is very deep and it is good to have top guys like you on the forum, do you know of a Guy in Italy teaching krabi krabong sitrat style he shows a lot of Muay thai does this particular school in thailand have this hand to hand stuff and if you have seen it is it effective or not? thanks john

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09-26-2007, 03:32 PM	#30 (permalink)
Tee Sok Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 479 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	There's been a thread about this, you can read here: pekiti tirsia kali vs krabi krabong George, I heard the same thing about Muay Korat when I asked thai teachers aout it. Korat teachers tend to keep things low and quiet and will even say they know little or that they don't know it if they don't know you. That's how it works in Thailand, and it's yet another example of kru Praeng's propaganda and selling plans.