jg7

H Teesok,

have you trained in muay chaiya if you have what do you think of style for real street combat

thanks

john

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Tee Sok

I am a beginner in Muay Chayia so I am going through the basics right now and I cannot speak from my personal experience.
What I know is that khru Tong knew how to fight and could do it well and it has all been proved, so l would definitely say the system does work. I heard wonderful things about him from an old student of his and l heard the same from my teacher and others who trained with him.

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jg7

are there any good teacher you recommend that i could contact other than preang who knows all the muay chaiya system in Bangkok?

john

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george stando

jg7:
I would pass on the whole italian kk thing for numerous reasons which you can personally PM me about.

If you want real self defense and that sort of thing there is no way in hell you need to travel to thailand for that, we got the best right here in the US. It would be insane in my opinion to go there and get bogged down in nonsense and politics and come away with so little. I mean I like some of the muay chaiya techs but most of the instructors are not alive or functional, just sticking rigorously to numerous movements that they dont really use.

Just my two cents.

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jg7

Hi George,

who do you recommend in the US and what is the style?

John

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sportmuaythai

Ok, here is my 2 cents. If you only want to learn self defense quickly, Thailand does offer an excellent option. For stand up fighting, muaythai is lauded. There are lots and lots of good muaythai camps in Thailand which fire cobra can guide you to.
The training is one on one twice a day. If you're fairly talented, dedicated, and not an aloof person, you can quite master the art in three months. To get to the same proficiency with training in the US in an equal amount of time, you'll paying with your limbs and your nose will probably bleed profusely too.
Then for ground fighting skill, Shark can direct you to camps that do BJJ, again fairly cheaply. If you need further help, just PM these two guys and I'm certain that they will help you find the right places.
As for muay chaiya, it does have charm, and it does work, albiet not as efficient as modern sport muaythai. Modern Latin dances will get you a girl quicker than waltz or tango.

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Garland

But what if I LIKE waltz and tango?

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Ghost

come on man, you cant master thai boxing in 3 months. you can learn some basics and thats it.

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Tee Sok

Well, I think that after 3 months of intense training 6 days a week
starting in the early morning and continuing through the day until
late afternoon you will get more than just some basics...that's what I think
anyway.

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sportmuaythai

Ok may be I'm overstating it, but you'll get much better at muaythai than if you train in the US, generally. Definitely not just some basics, unless you landed in a not so good camp. Pls read the whole post. You'll probably get your girl too, but selection will be smaller. Same with muay chaiya, you should be able to fight reasonably well, if you can find a good teacher. However, it would take you much longer to get there, and still you'd probably not fight as well as if you trained in regular sport muaythai.
I would be more afraid of some one saying:

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jg7

Hi Tee sok,

do you have a good contact for a muay thai teacher in thailand?
as would like to go in december and study in thailand

thanks

john

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george stando

Dont want to overstep my bounds here but muay thai is muay thai, you aint getting it any better than a muay thai camp, end of story. You go to a hardcore muay thai camp with the thais only and be ready for an experience. I wouldnt go anywhere else for muay thai but a top notch muay thai camp.
I saw the empty hand stuff and it was good but I didnt practice it. One must practice to ((see)) really but again why go to thailand for that aspect? If you want aliveness and real stuff to use then why pay all that money, travel, time and effort unless you want an exotic vacation. If you want the full experience of going to thailand, playing the whole game with the instructor, spending forever getting to the top of the road that is available to you elsewhere then its ok but accept that fact and roll with it. I am just trying to be truthful becuase I was helped by a foreigner who saw through all this and helped me see too. I had a hard time but now I see it clearly.
There is no more gap between asians and westerners, we have closed it down effectively in the fields of mma and self defense in my own humble opinion. They could actually learn from us. If you look at the muay chaiya footage, we(meaning those westerners well schooled in these areas ) can easily show them how to fight in real time for real, they cant seem to figure it out at all or are too egotistical to try or are clueless how to train something is missing to produce such a poor result.
Im going to train it because I love the cultural aspects and the history though i am just learning aboutit now. But I dont think for a minute any of those guys are going to school me on whats real, whats going to work on a street corner in the us, england or france for that manner or how to train scientifically and effectively...i have seen none of that in thailand by anyone at anytime and i will be living and training there full time shortly and will report back on that. My goal is muay thai primarily to compete then learn the rest slowly over time.
Stay away from the over hyped websites, those proclaiming to be the only ones, the first this and that, its the new selling environment there and here. Everything is polluted with the nonsense. Hopefully you can find a teacher that is true and teaches from his heart and wants to teach you and loves to teach you, its what makes the martial arts what they are, a positive experience not a forgetful negative one.
Alot of people dont agree with me but thats ok i accept that but I ran the course so i know at least a little something and I know people who have run the course for along, long time.
I would get sportsmuaythai opinion to balance it out then go from there. At least i hope this helps somewhat.....

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jg7

Hi George,

thanks for your thoughts much appreciated i look forward to getting sports muay thai opnion also?

john

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jg7

Gerorge,

also do you when the vanishing flame book will come out

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sportmuaythai

I'm taking liberty in answering this post since you've also asked me below. December is the best month to visit Thailand. Now pls let me know what kind of muaythai are you looking for. Sport muaythai is easier to learn, when compared to traditional muaythai. You can change camp, and the new camp will not reject you, generally. Contrary to George's view, I think that for a first time visitor to Thailand, it's better to stick to camps that cater to foreigners. They are better adapted to peculiar requirements, and tolerate them better. But pls beware of not so good camps catering to foreigners. PM fire cobra. He has more experience with Thai camps than I do, and he also has " Farang's perpective". I'm sure he can make good reccommendation.
There are also camps with varying amenities, and locations. I love Chiangmai, while I don't like Phuket or Pattaya. Let me know of your preference and budgfet range. Bangkok has good camps that range from cheap to expensive. Training costs do not vary much, it's the accommodation and food that will make the difference.
Regarding MMA, I was speaking about real BJJ being taught by very qualified Brazillian teacher. Shark is with a camp where they have connection with Brazillian team and they exchange muaythai with BJJ training. So you get to train authentic BJJ cheaply with Shark's camp. Muaythai at this camp is also excellent. Much better muaythai training than at other better known Chiangmai camp.
There is also a camp in Ubonratchathani where a European muaythai fighter has camp. He fights MMA, and teaches. But I think you can get better muaythai elsewhere.
The more you tell us what you're looking for the better I can make suggestion. I'd rather not make reccommendation, and leave fire cobra and shark do it. Fire cobra in particular has vast experience with several camps, so much it amazes me. And he is unbias. In Bangkok, his favourite trainer has a dingy camp, but training is earnest.

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