george stando

Good stuff from sportsmuaythai, you got alot of info to work with from alot of different angles. I think this is good for everyone who wants to see things from different perspective. I appreciate as much as anyone sportsmuaythai input as well he puts up with my endless rants....(which I apologize for)

I beg to differ on the muay thai camp situation, I started in a foreigner muay thai camp and it was a total waste of time. Once i got the hardcore camp, it was on. You fall into the mode and you are molded just like a thai. Its great. The discipline is awesome. Nothing like it. They dont put up with no complaining, you learn the real stuff right off the bat. Just loved it. but if you feel you cant handle it then go for the foreigner stuff but its different to me. My camp was pretty dingy but the training was awesome, so its true like sportsmuaythai says dont judge a book by its cover, trust what people tell you from their experiences.

The vanishing flame I dont have any more info on that, I helped with some of the computer work for translations while I was at college. Email vincent at vanishingflame@gmail.com. Cant wait for the damn thing myself, it will definitely burn down anything in print for many years to come in terms of understanding these arts.

jg7

Hi George/Teesok/Sports muay thai,

once again you have given very good advice and much appreciated, you guys are top martial artists with good hearts and you reflect the true warrior spirit and heart, it great pleasure to have guys like you on the forum, you guys make the forum what is.

i am interested in going to thailand and studying traditional thai boxing, any teachers you guys know would be appreciated

thanks

john

Tee Sok

John, I am just giving you some info about my short experience in Thailand,
nothing special at all. George and Sportmuaythai have a longer experience and definitely know more than I do as you can see. I myself am
learning new things by reading their posts which is great.
I will send you some contacts if you want to check.

jg7

Teesok,

yes if you give some contacts would be helpfull

Tee Sok

Can you send me mail as I cannot PM you here on defend.net

kidsreturn1@gmail.com

jg7

teesok,

just sent you an email

john

killer

Now you can ask and buy "Mai Muay Chaiya" Dvd from Fairtex Thailand
http://www.muaythaifairtex.com/main/

Now We have Plan to train Muay Chaiya in Fairtex Pattaya
http://www.fairtexpattaya.com/

Best Regard

Siamyuth Team
www.muaychaiya.com

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george stando

Just what I need to spend money on, a dance DVD. Kru Praeng continues to spread useless propaganda without a inch of fighting skill. Sad very sad. CAVEAT EMPTOR!

Killer is another "employee" of the Kru Praeng propaganda division.

killer

I am not Employee of Kru Preang But i am student of Kru Preang.

I don't care What you are thinking about Muay Chaiya Or Kru Preang But now the Great Skill Muay Thai Champion like YodSankai,Attachai,Naruapon have respect to Kru Preang and have Come train Muay Chaiya with Kru Preang too.

I think them have more skill , knowledge and experience to distinguish between Good or not Good ^_^

Attachai HL
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rcaXgKqonK4

YodSanKai HL
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6jm5cJ-OyO0

FairTex Top NakMuay
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ssbn1cnvvws

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Tee Sok

If these fighters respect kru Praeng, that doesn't mean that his muay
is effective and that he can fight. They train with kru Praeng? Good,
but that won't enhance their skills since they already are experienced fighters and kr uPreng cannot fight.
I would say it's the other way round, kru Praeng could actually learn
how to fight from them.
In Thailand, everybody usually respects the elders and teachers.
Even my teacher who had "trouble" because of Kru Praeng's propaganda,
respects him.
As for fighting skills, I didn't forget the video of the "fight" of one of
kru Praeng's instructors. And I said "instructor".

What is this now, parading other fighters skills to make your teacher look
credible?
As George said, caveat emptor.

killer

I have talk with attachai why do you want to train muay chaiya ?

He said becuase Muay chaiya has many technic for use to fight in ring and steet fight.

Why do you want to train with Kru preang ?

He said becuase Kru preang can use that technic so effective (he test by himself) and he siad i want to meet kru preang 5-10 year ago.i regret meet Kru preang for late.

You say Kru preang cannot fight but in all time i see many fighter come to meet kru preang with this sniff. Muay Chaiya can fight ? Kru Preang have Fight Skill ?

When all fighter try to test this sniff with kru Preang i see them all will say Kru preang is real fighter and Muay chaiya is can use in real life.

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"As for fighting skills, I didn't forget the video of the "fight" of one of
kru Praeng's instructors. And I said "instructor"."

you say about this video ?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fd2ybQlpjk4

This word is think you say about me ^^. In this match i will say i don't want to fight becuase i know my competitor is not a guy challenge me and i have fight unawares.

I know my competitor is have learn 2 year same me and he bigger and taller than me.i think in this video is not bad for me ^_^

I will expain why i have instructors becuase Kru(Master) is must for one person that is Kru Preang and i am a helper to train new student. Instructors is like Senior who have come to help Kru preang to train junior and we have different experience.

My Senior is have train everyday in 6 year he will stong than me. but in have train 2 year 2 day for weak Saturday and Sunday i will have skill less than him.

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Tee Sok

I do not know whether it was you or not, but statements were different at the time:

Wahoo fight, I am telling you. Kru Lek had his instructor Mr. Tae (veteran practioner and expert) and Mr. Pang (only beginner) to 'fight' with Kru Praeng's instructors level - Senior Kru Pong and mouthing bookkeeper Kru Pak. The latter two instructors of Kru Praeng's got 'beat up' and 'schooled' pretty badly on how to fight in reality from Kru Lek's students. They better relearn how to stop playing beautiful art proclaimation of Muay Chaiya at Kru Praeng school, and learn how to fight in real like Kru Lek's school. It's a joke of Senior Kru Pong and Kru Pak, a humiliation of Muay Chaiya ability if these two to be called instructors of Muay Chaiya - you might as well go learn at regular Muay Thai camps around the country instead. Kru Praeng, Kru Leam, don't play around with real fighting art of Thailand, this is not a circus show on selling tickets for birthday ceremony.

จากคุณ : Schooling Praeng's Instructors - [ 16 ก.ย. 50 09:25:13 A:124.120.217.69 X: ]

The links are not available anymore, but it's easy to change your words
and to tune down your statements following the evidence and the general
response to it.
I really don't care about this, what I care about is that people like you are
trying to commercialize and sell a product that shouldn't be a product and that product isn't what it is said to be.
Again, caveat emptor.
I am not Thai, but I have been in Thailand and I have trained there and the
question I keep asking myself is why do you guys have to show off like that and trying to look like what you are not?
Why trying to be on the cover, when all the other traditional muay teachers keep things quiet and are humble and just work?

It's true, never buy these things, never take them for granted.
Double-chek and see diferent points of view and then get your own
picture. Which will be very different than the one proposed by another
Kru Praeng's student.

sportmuaythai

I echo Tee Sok's view. I was aware that Kru Praeng's instrucors held a small demo at Fairtex Bangplee, but I did not post comments since I thought that I would be picking on these guys. I'll be at Fairtex bangplee tomorrow and hopefully get to talk to Attachai's brother. Attachai and Yodsaenklai are at Pattaya, where I don't go because it's too far for me.
Those who have seen the VDO clip can be the judge about the quality of trained fighter from Kru praeng school, Mr Killer. I'd like to know if a student has enrolled to Kru praeng school, does he get to train with Kru Praeng, or does he train with Killer first, and for how long? BTW I was under the impression that Kru Praeng hardly go to Lumpinee to teach any more. So I presume that Killer and another instructor are the main teachers there. Does Killer still assume the role of instructor, or just a helper?

george stando

Killer you are certainly a misguided employee or a cult member of the kru praeng bullshit society or why would you be posting on here. Same thing with other fool dtang jai and various others of the kru praeng stupidity society, hiding behind false names and spreading bullshit, only to get dismantled on forum after forum for jerking off all this shit they cant back up. With a name like "killer", I assume you know something about fighting unless you are another faceless cyber warrior....

Kru Praeng is an expert at muay chaiya and he specializes in the ancient way of dancing it not fighting it. Nobody who understands fighting or the realistic approach to training or fighting would ever say the non sense you are sprouting.

You and the others of the kru praeng society do us a great favor by showing up on these forums and making utter asses out of yourself with little knowledge about muay, muay chaiaya and fighting in general. If anyone goes to the various other sites, you can see the "faceless wonders" constantly sprouting this and that by kru praeng only to get mercilessly shot down in a torrent of truth ripping through false allegation and fabrication.

I am sure by the enormous emails i get personally from all the various forums, by opening your mouth, you are losing students for kru praeng by the droves.

Kru Praeng doesnt impress me at all outside of his dancing movements like kata and his applications and his students fighting is laughable at best. Anybody with any knowledge of fighting and training can see that.

Let him stick to what he knows and he'll probably do a lot better. I hope all these exchanges only show all the foreign students he is trying to manipulate into coming to train with him are only going to waste their money and be seriously misguided.

Why do you keep trying to "sell" his dvds and vdos? you said you werent on here as an "employee" then why you trying to sell his junk on here as a spokesmodel of foolishness?

Praeng is a business man, Yodsenklai would beat Praeng into oblivion. Praeng is trying to align with Fairtex to open up business doors nothing more. Fairtex thus is supporting him. When one sees the truth, it all becomes apparent for those of us living in the real world.

When you are in a cult, you are generally only limited to what the cult drills into your head, you are not seeing the whole picture.

I suggest Killer you look into things above and below and you will see what we are saying is very, very accurate.