Usefulness of muay thai-style roundhouse kick in real life? - Page 2

**Hardball** · 05-02-2008, 06:23 AM

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Ghost · 05-02-2008, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Heroic Wolf

But if I use the shoe for a thai kick, I can hit as hard as with normal thai kick but from a slightly longer range. Isn't that a slight advantage?

not if the toes are pointing along the line of the shin, ie pointing straight.
the foot is too bendy, it just doesnt hurt. you might land it, you might score a point in sparring but in a street fight it wont do anything at all. more likely to be dangerous than anything else.

Ghost · 05-02-2008, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DickHardman

thats a savate kick i think. they kick like thai boxer, but use the point of the shoe for self defense. its effective enough that savate the martial arts is known for it.

tkd kicks usually arent as hard because they dont attempt to rotate through their target. but you can combine both, chambering your leg like a tkd kick, and then proceeding to rotate your hips completely as you kick. chambering your leg can confuse your opponent too, as you can deliver your kick high or low from the same chambered position.

someone around here once mentioned a martial artist that always trained in and always wore a pair of very hard cowboy boots. imagine getting kicked in the skull with a roundhouse kick with the point of sharp cowboy boots??? they said this guy was pinpoint accurate.

imagine getting a cowboy boot up your bum dick.

Cannon_6 · 05-02-2008, 09:51 AM

Haha. Cowboy kwon do.

Seriously, unless you're wearing those awesome Chuck Norris stretch jeans, you're better off keeping your boots on the ground. Use your six-gun instead, partner.

bodhisattva · 05-02-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Heroic Wolf

Ya, ur right. I've never been hit hard by a truly hard muay thai kick before, just high-quality taekwondo kicks. I guess wut I was wondering was whether I should still throw muay thai kicks that strike with my shin if I get in a fight where I have my shoes on as I'm concerned the shoe will slow my kick down or weigh my leg down so the force transfer isn't clean.

You should kick with your shin. That is the answer to your question. The shoe will not screw up anything.

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Originally Posted by Heroic Wolf

Or maybe I should just convince my instructor to let me practice kicking the heavy bags with clean shoes on (he doesn't like getting the mats dirty)

Your instructor probably won't like that you are using your shin instead of your instep. But you should really learn to throw it that way, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Heroic Wolf

Also, I guess I wanted to know if I should throw roundhouse kicks with the muay thai-body rotation but striking with the shoe and not the shin as that would make use of the shoe on my foot and increase the range I can strike from

The shoe on your foot will not increase your range noticably.

If you kick hard with your instep, you can easily break your foot. You may not belive me, but that's because Tae Kwon Do style kicks rarely have that kind of power. But I know at least one guy who broke his instep. It bothers him considerably still.

You shouldn't kick at long range. That's a major flaw in the teachings of TKD strategy. It seems to make sense "When at long range, use your longest tool."

But in real life, kicks work much better if you set them up at closer range, using your hands for the set up.

I hope this was of use to you.

bodhisattva · 05-02-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon_6

Haha. Cowboy kwon do.

Seriously, unless you're wearing those awesome Chuck Norris stretch jeans, you're better off keeping your boots on the ground. Use your six-gun instead, partner.

Hah! I forgot about the STRETCH JEANS WITH THE DIAMOND INSET IN THE CROTCH FOR KICKING!

Hah!

God, I almost want a pair now, just to be Martial-Arts-Retro.

I wonder if I can get a nice denim gi-top to go with them! I'd grow out my side burns and wear some of those funky glasses that get darker in bright light.

That would be..funky.

Ghost · 05-02-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bodhisattva

You should kick with your shin. That is the answer to your question. The shoe will not screw up anything.

Your instructor probably won't like that you are using your shin instead of your instep. But you should really learn to throw it that way, anyway.

The shoe on your foot will not increase your range noticably.

If you kick hard with your instep, you can easily break your foot. You may not belive me, but that's because Tae Kwon Do style kicks rarely have that kind of power. But I know at least one guy who broke his instep. It bothers him considerably still.

You shouldn't kick at long range. That's a major flaw in the teachings of TKD strategy. It seems to make sense "When at long range, use your longest tool."

But in real life, kicks work much better if you set them up at closer range, using your hands for the set up.

I hope this was of use to you.

very good points about kicking in long range. not ideal. it does not hold true always that just cos its the longest range weapon that it should be used as such.
in the ring its ok but in the street. i wouldnt kick unless i was in medium/solid boxing range. where you can mix up your kicks and punches very effectively.

Heroic Wolf · 05-02-2008, 04:54 PM

My instructor has me practice kicking with my shin, not the instep, I'm not a tkd guy

I was wondering if my instructor's way of kicking was the best thing to do if I were wearing a shoe. But I guess kicking with the shin is still the best response (unless I'm throwing a high kick of course) even with shoes on. Thanks for bringing up the point that in self defense, medium range kicks that are guaranteed to hit and hit hard are probably the best

Prince Vegita · 05-02-2008, 09:31 PM

You hit a guy's elbow with an instep TKD-style kick, you'll never want to kick like that again.

Heroic Wolf · 05-02-2008, 09:34 PM

Lol, I've done that before without shoes, it hurt! But I'm talking about the event where I'm wearing shoes

Prince Vegita · 05-02-2008, 09:46 PM

It still hurts just as much. Trust me.

Heroic Wolf · 05-02-2008, 09:56 PM

Oh really? I didn't know that, thanks for the advice

Lone_Knight · 05-02-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Heroic Wolf

Lol, I've done that before without shoes, it hurt! But I'm talking about the event where I'm wearing shoes

I've kicked a guy in the elbow wearing shoes, and trust me it fucking hurts for the whole week.

Garland · 05-02-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince Vegita

You hit a guy's elbow with an instep TKD-style kick, you'll never want to kick like that again.

No shit? FYI it hurts with the shin too, buddy. I have a permanent dent and matching scar on the lower part of my right shin from a body kick that got...well...kinda blocked.

Heroic Wolf · 05-02-2008, 10:38 PM

I have a scar on the lower part of my right shin as well! However, I don't have a matching dent.

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Cannon_6 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 10	Haha. Cowboy kwon do. Seriously, unless you're wearing those awesome Chuck Norris stretch jeans, you're better off keeping your boots on the ground. Use your six-gun instead, partner.

05-02-2008, 04:54 PM	#23 (permalink)
Heroic Wolf Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: WA, USA Posts: 29	My instructor has me practice kicking with my shin, not the instep, I'm not a tkd guy I was wondering if my instructor's way of kicking was the best thing to do if I were wearing a shoe. But I guess kicking with the shin is still the best response (unless I'm throwing a high kick of course) even with shoes on. Thanks for bringing up the point that in self defense, medium range kicks that are guaranteed to hit and hit hard are probably the best

05-02-2008, 09:31 PM	#24 (permalink)
Prince Vegita Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 29	You hit a guy's elbow with an instep TKD-style kick, you'll never want to kick like that again.

05-02-2008, 09:34 PM	#25 (permalink)
Heroic Wolf Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: WA, USA Posts: 29	Lol, I've done that before without shoes, it hurt! But I'm talking about the event where I'm wearing shoes

05-02-2008, 09:46 PM	#26 (permalink)
Prince Vegita Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 29	It still hurts just as much. Trust me.

05-02-2008, 09:56 PM	#27 (permalink)
Heroic Wolf Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: WA, USA Posts: 29	Oh really? I didn't know that, thanks for the advice

05-02-2008, 10:38 PM	#30 (permalink)
Heroic Wolf Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: WA, USA Posts: 29	I have a scar on the lower part of my right shin as well! However, I don't have a matching dent.

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