Usefulness of muay thai-style roundhouse kick in real life? - Page 3

bigboywasim · 05-02-2008, 10:56 PM

If the person does not know how to fight even a soccer kick with some hard shoes will take their leg out.

I do full contact karate and Muay Thai.

The way I see it that in self defense you do not really want to use kicks much. You have more control with fists and in the clinch.

The kicks that are affective are low kicks and thai style is the best for them. Mid or high kicks I would do with shoes.

You can easily shin kick someone out who doesn't know anything. Depending on the shoe it is overall stronger than the shin in my opinion.

If you are wearing sandals I would use shins. If you are wearing tennis or running shoes then I would use the shoe for mid kicks. High kicks are risky but they better with the shoe. If you have steal toe shoes then yeah the shoes.

Prince Vegita · 05-03-2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Garland

No shit? FYI it hurts with the shin too, buddy. I have a permanent dent and matching scar on the lower part of my right shin from a body kick that got...well...kinda blocked.

No shit.

I'd still take the shin kick over the foot any day, at least I can condition my shins.

eXcessiveForce · 05-03-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bodhisattva

You should kick with your shin. That is the answer to your question. The shoe will not screw up anything.

Your instructor probably won't like that you are using your shin instead of your instep. But you should really learn to throw it that way, anyway.

The shoe on your foot will not increase your range noticably.

If you kick hard with your instep, you can easily break your foot. You may not belive me, but that's because Tae Kwon Do style kicks rarely have that kind of power. But I know at least one guy who broke his instep. It bothers him considerably still.

You shouldn't kick at long range. That's a major flaw in the teachings of TKD strategy. It seems to make sense "When at long range, use your longest tool."

But in real life, kicks work much better if you set them up at closer range, using your hands for the set up.

I hope this was of use to you.

It doesn't have anything to do with power, it has to do with rebounding energy, TKD kicks pull back after impact before rebound occurs. Thai kicks follow through but suffer from rebound.

It's Impulse vs. fluid force. Don't hit hard things with Thai kicks, or you end up like Retired did. Don't aim for muscle impairment with TKD kicks, because that's not what their for.

Thai kicks suck to get hit buy, but TKD kicks shatter your face. I've seen instep kicks break orbital sockets, cheeks and cause knockouts. I've seen MT kicks drop fighters and knock out people. But they are different. They have different mechanics aim at different targets

You wouldn't use a TKD round kick to the thigh because it wouldn't do much, but hit the skull and it's a different story. Of course instep kicks are generally only for point sparring, Ball of foot kicks are for throwing full force.

(oh and TKD also can use the shin as a striking tool for their kicks as well)

bigboywasim · 05-03-2008, 11:28 PM

Now this is some good TKD.

Tant01 · 05-03-2008, 11:47 PM

Yeah.... That's good stuff!

DonKey · 05-05-2008, 08:24 PM

There are some great TKD kicks in that clip, as well as some low thai kicks(@1.27 and 1.39min for example) and several punching combos right out of western boxing.

Excellent aggression from the TKD guy.

Heroic Wolf · 05-05-2008, 08:36 PM

ya, great stuff, I love Serkan Yilmaz

Little Apple · 05-06-2008, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywasim

If the person does not know how to fight even a soccer kick with some hard shoes will take their leg out.

I do full contact karate and Muay Thai.

The way I see it that in self defense you do not really want to use kicks much. You have more control with fists and in the clinch.

The kicks that are affective are low kicks and thai style is the best for them. Mid or high kicks I would do with shoes.

You can easily shin kick someone out who doesn't know anything. Depending on the shoe it is overall stronger than the shin in my opinion.

I would say rather, that you have to know your strengths and what's most effective for you. I'm tiny, the clinch would be a little bit of death to me. I'm probably never going to be faced with a self-defense sit. where I'm against someone my size or smaller. Therefore, I want to avoid body-to-body tussling as much as I can. Of course I don't avoid training the clinch, just in case, but I don't want to seek it out either. If I'm out in the parking lot and need to defend myself, I want to fight dirty and end it quick: take the knees, throat, and eyes.
As for kicks, I'd kick with my shin (shoes or not) because that's what I know. If I'd ever trained savate, maybe I'd say differently, but I haven't.

05-02-2008, 10:56 PM	#31 (permalink)
bigboywasim Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California, Sacramento Posts: 364	If the person does not know how to fight even a soccer kick with some hard shoes will take their leg out. I do full contact karate and Muay Thai. The way I see it that in self defense you do not really want to use kicks much. You have more control with fists and in the clinch. The kicks that are affective are low kicks and thai style is the best for them. Mid or high kicks I would do with shoes. You can easily shin kick someone out who doesn't know anything. Depending on the shoe it is overall stronger than the shin in my opinion. If you are wearing sandals I would use shins. If you are wearing tennis or running shoes then I would use the shoe for mid kicks. High kicks are risky but they better with the shoe. If you have steal toe shoes then yeah the shoes. __________________

05-03-2008, 11:28 PM	#34 (permalink)
bigboywasim Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California, Sacramento Posts: 364	Now this is some good TKD. __________________

05-03-2008, 11:47 PM	#35 (permalink)
Tant01 Humble Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern Ca. USA Posts: 4,284	Yeah.... That's good stuff! __________________ While the old form, jujutsu, was studied solely for fighting purposes, Kano's new system is found to promote the mental as well as the physical faculties. T. Shidachi, 1892

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DonKey Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 29	There are some great TKD kicks in that clip, as well as some low thai kicks(@1.27 and 1.39min for example) and several punching combos right out of western boxing. Excellent aggression from the TKD guy.

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