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Hey Ghost,
Thats sad to hear. I had a few mates who had trained there a while back and they had no problems at the time, if that is the case of all you said that is going on then thats a fair comment, I wouldnt post up information to lead people astray from good training. Cheers for the heads up.

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da_mill

Haven't really shown my face for a while.... but have a new job. lol. (work that one out for yourselves)

I did a private session with Yod (head trainer) at Tiger - He was awesome. For someone so bad (me) he helped a lot, and went over the time he was supposed to..

Anyways - Replying because TS and Ghost have talked a lot about what others have said - one of my best friends visited Thailand, he works security, has done karate since a young age, and generally is well into his Martial arts.

He trained at Lanna Chiang Mai, WMC Samui, and Tiger (probably somewhere else too I can't remember.)

He had views similar to Ghost - didn't feel Tiger was a 'real' camp, and they didn't work as hard, and it was very touristy. And also, most of the peopel there were foreig, which is fine, but it lessens the impact of learning Muay Thai from thais, right?!

His favorite was Lanna Chiang Mai, he also trained somewhere in Bangkok, possibly Fairtex, but it obv wasn't that great the amount he went on about Lanna + WMC.

Oh, there's a lot of discussion about 'real' thai camps - my friend felt Tiger wasn't real because they didn't run (amongst many other things I spoke about before). I don't necessarily believe that running is essential conditioning, and definitely not the way the Thai's do it.

But there you go - a bit of info is better than no info... Almost straight from the horses mouth as it were. Also, my comments unless otherwise stated are regarding the quality of training. He is a skilled fighter and doesnt f**k around.

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Flaves

Tiger now has a running program that runs twice a day. maybe they put that in after your friends visit? how long did you train their for? what were the positives and negatives?

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da_mill

He was there in probably May / June 2008 I would guess, because I was there in July and he left a little before I got there. Can't remember about the training sessiosn just remember what he said about teh running.

All I did was the private lesso nI'm afraid, sucked but didnt have time to stick around! Was by far the best pad session I've had tho lol. Its very resort like, having a drinks bar adn stuff just on site, also they run their own cabs, or not, but use certain taxis which means you get ripped off as the standard fees are a good 100-200 baht higher than what you'd get if you sorted it out yourself.

All in all tho seems a good place, and is growing in popularity. It sounds liek you're very interested in going there - as many have said, if you want a realistic feel, it's not for you. Other than that there doesn't seem to be too much to choose between it and others nowadays.

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Flaves

i haven't made up my mind. if i see a place with a better set up ill pursue it.

as i look at other places within the same price range i find that the total train time each day is only 4 - 6 hours per day. also i find that the accommodations are shabby. i also like the MMA aspect and the fact that it is away from the turmoil happening in BKK right now.

thanks for all the feedback.

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Ghost

ONLY 4-6 hours? get real.

also what is happening in BKK wont affect you. Shabby accomodation is part and parcel of training in thailand.

Again, i would say, if you want to go on a nice holiday just go on a nice holiday. If you are going to bother to fly half way around the world to train then train with the best.

Half measures do not cut it in my opinion.

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Flaves

Ghost we have already established your opinion on this matter. thanks.

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Ghost

Yes but you arent listening. If they are training 6 hours a day and you want more, do you not wonder what you will be doing.

6 hours a day of training in thailand is hellish.
I just want you to be realistic.

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Flaves

i am listening but i just dont place that much value in your opinion. we have already established that you have not trained at this facility so you can not provide any feedback or experiences. you gave some good suggestions for other places which i have researched and from them i am considering Jitti as well.

but the bottom line is i am my own person and i make my own decisions. if you dont agree with them thats fine but i am certainly not going to let your opinion and your attempts to berate me be my deciding factor.

thanks.

ps all the flights into BKK are cancelled until further notice according to the royal thai embassy.

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da_mill

I agree with ghost - You need to be realistic. The amount of hours in a day you can or cannot train has NOTHING to do with if you have been to that particular camp or not, stop being a disrespectful asshole.

However... if you think you can train for more than 6 hours a day in THAILAND, in 30+ degree heat and almost 100% humidity, you are fucking insane. Point is, I know you can't, because if you had that level of conditioning you would BE a pro fighter.

Anyway, the point of my post - Not sure if I mentioned this - another big reason about Tiger not being a 'real' camp is because there are no Thai's training there to fight at Thai stadiums (REAL stadiums, not the set up style fights.)

but again, i thort it was a pretty cool place and I wouldnt mind training there for longer, and I think it's well worth considering. The accomodation and stuff seemed nice, owners etc are nice, but at the end of the day it is 100% a money making business, and it is very, very far from a 'real' camp. I personally found the organisation lacking slightly, as I could only train for one day, i was hoping to do an hour session adn then an hour of MMA training later in the day, didnt care how long I sat around for or whatever. I basically said I want to do this, can it happen... But they weren't particularly interested and blankly said I couldnt do it.

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Flaves

da mill,

i have to laugh at your response. you call me disrespectful and then precede to use vulgarities twice in your post towards me. isn't that a little hypocritical?

in regards to the rest of your post or Ghost's previous post i'm just not going to comment. i refuse to turn this into a 4 page arguement, as i am sure Ghost would like. That seems to be his MO, as he has done it before. (see link: Train With The Masters Seminar at the Francis Fong Academy this month)

I appreciate all the constructive feedback that i have received in this post from you, Ghost and everyone else. And I would appreciate that if moving forward we can keep the posts geared towards the topic and leave out unecessary comments and personal attacks.

Thanks.

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da_mill

Yes, hypocritical it was, but I would rather you be disrepectful to me, than him - he has helped an untold amount of people (including me) with his discussions and RIDICULOUS amount of knowledge. The forum would be a much worse off place if he wasn't here.

I don't know if you're intending to give attitude, but for example, posting "Tiger now has a running program that runs twice a day." immediately in response to my long post about Tiger, reeks of arrogance and an 'I know better' attitude. If you know so much about it, why are you even here asking for advice? How about you tell us?

And well you are nothing here, and nothing in the world of MT (like me!!!). Like it or not it's the truth - You speak your mind, which I admire and understand, so I am telling you straight. Enough from me on this, I didn't intend to say this much.

I stick by my comment, to try and wake you up to reality lol. You were going on about people who had experience - As I said, I've trained in thailand, and have a friend who is easily a better fighter than most of hte amateurs I've met who also trained in Thailand, believe what you want but you very misguided when it comes to training time.

I truly do hope you have a fantastic camp wherever you decide to train, and look forward to your return when you can tell us your experiences at the camp you chose. We are all just sharing our opinions here.

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Flaves

its confrontations like this which i specifically try to avoid. i want to make it clear that i am not trying to nor do i intend to argue with you or anyone else. i will continue to be dismissive while at the same time appreciative. if you want to continue to argue you can do it with yourself.

thanks again.

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Ghost

lol, mate its not an arguement. Its a discussion.
You are rejecting other gyms because they only train for 6 hours a day.
I dont really see what you think you will be doing.
I expect you wont manage anything close to 6 hours.

How many hours a day do you train at the moment?
Rhetorucal question...the point is, your criteria for a gym to train at is based on if it looks nice and how long they train for.
Which is totally irrelevant to the quality of the gym.

Thats not a personal attack. Its trying to point out to you that its a poor criteria for gym selection.

Your criteria, as it shows, has selected a holiday camp.

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Flaves

Ghost im not going to waste time dispuiting your points or correcting your misinterpretations however i will answer one of your questions. i currently train between 4-5 hours a day.

and my original point when i referenced the amount of time was to point out that within the same price range i would be afforded the opportunity to train less. in some cases pay more to train less.


i hope this puts this portion of the "discussion" to rest.

thanks.

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