Thread: Muay thai: Den Muangsurin vs Cesar

Originally Posted by the tick

Well yeah. But thats because your a practisioner. But for the majority it's probably nothing more then a night out. So all they know is punching, kicking, kneeing and sometimes elbowing. They don't want to see prolonged clinching. They woudn't get it. They would think it's boring. And you do want them to come back next time and spend their money on your event.

I agree bro,which is why MMA is so popular I think,and why the crowd tend to boo when the fight goes to the ground and no one is getting hit.

Originally Posted by fire cobra

I agree bro,which is why MMA is so popular I think,and why the crowd tend to boo when the fight goes to the ground and no one is getting hit.

Yep. My thoughts exactly. To the untrained eye it probably looks like they are resting or something.

Thats true, firecobra --much to the chagrin of groundfighters who felt it was about attrition on the ground, the stand ups from the static ground play are often applauded and too lengthy static ground work is met with boos or calls for a stand up.

Originally Posted by the tick

I would say it is, partly, intentional. To make fights more attractive for the general audience who don't care about the philosophical, traditional blahdiblah and just want to see a nice fight. They wouldn't get all that 'hugging'.

I guess you are right, the audiences appreciate a different way of fighting. Some time agao I had a nice conversation about it.
In Western countries the audience prefers a quick and fast ko to demonstrate you is the best one. The really good one finish within seconds.
In Thailand the fight itself is the point of interest, not the winner. The way how the fighter act and behave are the goal. And they love betting. Imagine you can watch how a clincher watches out for his chance to nail his opponent with knees and how a kicker announces to kick the others face with his sole. Or even finish the fight with a left kick to his head ... And now imagine the betting... 5 rounds ...

Regarding 'what the audience likes', sometimes there are some fighters who do a good job from the western point of view. But over there the interest is limited. And how do you want to earn money with a fighter who likes to finish his fihghts quickly (betting etc)?
Maybe you, fire c. mentioned it somewhere, your teacher was not long in the business because he finished to fast or something like this, was it?

Well yeah. But thats because your a practisioner. But for the majority it's probably nothing more then a night out. So all they know is punching, kicking, kneeing and sometimes elbowing. They don't want to see prolonged clinching. They woudn't get it. They would think it's boring. And you do want them to come back next time and spend their money on your event.

As said above I guess there are also other points of view.

Originally Posted by Sieh Tanonchai

I guess you are right, the audiences appreciate a different way of fighting. Some time agao I had a nice conversation about it.
In Western countries the audience prefers a quick and fast ko to demonstrate you is the best one. The really good one finish within seconds.
In Thailand the fight itself is the point of interest, not the winner. The way how the fighter act and behave are the goal. And they love betting. Imagine you can watch how a clincher watches out for his chance to nail his opponent with knees and how a kicker announces to kick the others face with his sole. Or even finish the fight with a left kick to his head ... And now imagine the betting... 5 rounds ...

Regarding 'what the audience likes', sometimes there are some fighters who do a good job from the western point of view. But over there the interest is limited. And how do you want to earn money with a fighter who likes to finish his fihghts quickly (betting etc)?
Maybe you, fire c. mentioned it somewhere, your teacher was not long in the business because he finished to fast or something like this, was it?


As said above I guess there are also other points of view.

Thats a good and valid point Sieh,the audience in Thailand do watch it as a strategy of what type of fighter can beat a different type of fighter,ie a technical boxer vs a clincher,and of course its great for the gambling.

My teacher had a lot of kos with hands so it got harder for him to get fights,however he was also at a very light weight,he had 4 fights in 4 days at one point and 4 knock outs.

I think in some bouts i saw in europe, they let them clinch, but break it quickly if it goes too long without activity. K1 World Max is better when they let the clinchs go a bit longer then break them, now they break them quick and dont really allow too much on the inside.