george stando

This is great, pure heart and fighting spirit! This ones for firecobra!

YouTube - Den Muangsurin vs Ceasar

---

fire cobra

Thanks George,

Ceasar did good there and nearly took it but what a comeback,pure grit and spirit from Den,talk about showing your heart in the ring,tremendous.

Thanks George.

---

george stando

Hey firecobra,
Cesar did beautifully, that counter that put den down was incredible. But Den just turned it around. So short but just a beautiful illustration of fighting heart from both of them.

---

fire cobra

Tremendous heart George.

Ive just finished training,eating and watching a Muay dvd with a ex Nak Muay of 250 fights(50 in Lumpinee),he was in the Sor Supawan camp alongside Karuhat,mad coincidence given that we have been watching Karuhat lately.

---

george stando

Wow, thats cool. I have a few dvds to catch up on i got from my friend. I dont know whats on it, so i figure this is going to consume me for days on end! Keeps my motivation and energy high.

---

Sieh Tanonchai

Good one, he has really heart. And the first punch was exactly timed.
Is he known as a good fighter?
I am just asking since I did not see him defending the knee strikes, at no time.
It looks the Thai became a kind of serious after he was knocked down unexpected. Possibly his promoters and managers wanted him to box easy, but not to loose, so he had to finish it quickly, I mean it started bad for him, didn't it?

Good one
Sieh

---

fire cobra

He was known as a good fighter in Europe Sieh,however he wouldnt of made it in Thailand imho,as you say cant defend the knee.

---

Sieh Tanonchai

Thank you for your kind answer.
A question came up in my mind, probably everybody could have the same one: Why he wasn't thought to defend these knee's? Why his coaches did not prepare him and why they sent him for fights without preparing him well? This does not sound fair and right to me. Who are this coaches?

---

fire cobra

Sieh,

The rules and scoring system etc is different in a lot of European countrys than it is in Thailand so the Europeans have tended to develop Boxing with low kicks and knee to the head but not clinching in general.

The lack of Thai nationals has hindered Muay Thai in Europe in general,it appears to me changing(especially in the UK) because many more people are going back and forth to Thailand to train.

---

Sieh Tanonchai

This is interesting, I never saw it this way.
Since more fighters go more frequently to Thailand, how do they choose their coaches? How do they know which coach is a good one? And what does a fighter expects (what kind of technique, or is it power, fighting experience, etc) when he goes over there to be trained?

Thanks a lot
Sieh

---

the tick

I would say it is, partly, intentional. To make fights more attractive for the general audience who don't care about the philosophical, traditional blahdiblah and just want to see a nice fight. They wouldn't get all that 'hugging'.

---

fire cobra

All that Hugging that beat Ramon Deckers in a lot of his fights against Thais,and Ramon was some fighter,if he had had a clinch game he would of been even better imho.

---

fire cobra

The internets a powerfull tool bro you can find most things out.

If you train in Thailand with a good camp/coach you will gain in technique,fitness strength etc,if you compete then you gain in experience so it can be a full package,for me its also the culture and the people,the food and the weather,the beer Chang to.

---

the tick

Perhaps. But all his wins came by way of KO and he himself never was KO'd in Thailand. So there. But I was reffering to the audience who wants to see a dynamic fight without having to practise MT for a while to appreciate the subtleties of clinching.

---

fire cobra

Yes they sure did come by KO1 which is why Ramon was matched against a lot of good clinchers,Puncher v clincher makes for a very exciting match,if the puncher doesnt get a ko he wont get the win.

Whether the fights are more exciting without clinching is a matter of preference,my preference is for real Muay Thai the sport that all the other KickBoxing came from so there.

---