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Chan or Son of Wind Highlight - Muay Thai Chaiya Trainer and Fighter From Siam Yuth Bann Kru Preang.

He will fight in Naksu 2009 Final on 10 Oct At Asawindum Stadium

Naksu Mma Tournament

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www.muaychaiya.com
www.naksu.biz

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Tee Sok

It seems MMA is slowly establishing itself in Thailand but I seriously doubt it can displace Muay Thai. As everybody knows Muay Thai has played an important role in every MMA competition for a long time, and I heard MMA training was brought to Thailand a long time ago even if not in its sport and commercial aspect.

After Brazil, USA, Japan, Holland.....MMA now seems to have some followers in Thailand too.
I started following MMA bouts when Wanderlei Silva was figting in IVCs in Brazil, I would never have thought that MMA would have got so big as it is today.

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george stando

Killer has returned. The king clown of propaganda. What happened to the muay chaiya it seems gone in the comps, it looks like its simply become mma. Love mma so thats cool you have joined the modern era! Problem is whether on time or in live events, i have not seen one chaiya apply or use a chaiya technique in competition to win or score anything. So its a roundabout way to get a result. In trying to prove a point its great but if anyone studies the footage versus the training, you will see nothing plays out at all. I mean all you have to do is what or do the training then watch or do the comps, its a matter of just doing and seeing. Fighting is fighting and the more you do the better you get.

I dont think mma will replace or even touch muay thai in thailand, its too engrained in the public and they love the gambling aspects. ALso military control is part of it, if the miltiary cant get anything out of mma then forget it, it aint going anywhere.

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killer

"I dont think mma will replace or even touch muay thai in thailand, its too engrained in the public and they love the gambling aspects. ALso military control is part of it, if the miltiary cant get anything out of mma then forget it, it aint going anywhere."

This word you say is ture.

Mma in thailand is just start popular now in teenage and this group is don't interesting in gambling,now we have many event about mma in thailand.

We interest to fight in Mma Rule becuase it can allow many technic in Muay Chaiya like Grappling Throwing or Ground fighting and it look similar Muay Boran Rule.

In this rule we can use Muay Chaiya ability more than sport Muay Thai nowday.

Chan fight in Naksu mma at 10 Oct and he will fight in Muay Chad Chuek in 11 Nov too.

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george stando

I havent seen one muay chaiya guy use a single a muay chaiya technique in any competition or on any tape. You are using modern bjj or stepping that is closer to boxing or muay thai, there are no muay chaiya steps there.

You should also be aware that a westerner is going to recognize the techs used and how they mounted in a fight as well as the set ups into and transition to any grappling. There is nothing in the muay chaiya arsenal old or new that is close to a rolling armbar, leg lock or triangle and the modern set ups into and out of the movements. Chaiya has primitive simple techs but nothing close for a prolonged groundfight those techs are taken from modern bjj, wrestling, etc and should be given proper credit. Footwork as well is not muay chaiya, you spend months on stepping, standing on one leg in chaiya but none of it is used in the ring because the mobility needed is not there, the structure collapses and you are vulnerable to enormous counterattack, stand on the rooster like emblem of muay chaiya stance and bait an attack and 100% of the time you will be taken down.

Instead of trying to "sell" something as propaganda minister, you should realize that we in the west are millions of years ahead of you in the mma game and we recognize things you cant see or do as of yet. You train as closely to how you fight, this is the modern era, muay chaiya spend months and years as we see on this forum battling over theoretical issues as your system is pure, you dont do the yum sum kung right and twisting endless doctrine into purpose(we have grappling because some old document says so--but we made it up but we have documentation to prove it was there!!!), you are not being honest to yourself or your students or the gullible foreigners you are trying to draw into your cult.

You should say we have a modern muay chaiya fighting team using the superior modern techniques grafted into our ancient style to fight. So a person knows he doesnt have to do miles of endless stuff he will never use.....which was the purpose of the creation of muay thai! So thats why muay thai is enormously useful. You should accept muay thais role in the current fighting world and be happy for its success and integration.

I am going to brazil to train and fight soon and muay thai and boxing for all these years will be my stand up base along with my previous ground training. No muay chaiya training under any muay chiaya teacher would prepare me for this journey or else i would have undertaken that.

Never will muay chaiya be an integral part of mma. Muay Thai is an integral part of mma training through out the world as well as Boxing and wrestling or bjj or a form of grappling. Muay Thai is functional and ready to go with adjustments to footwork and kick distance and clinch additions. Chaiya lacks the footwork, extensive clinch, kicks etc to deal with the onslaught in mma.

MMA is slowly taking hold as a global sport because it took hold in the west, since it holds mostly westernized type of approach, very little bowing, just shakes hands or hit gloves and go.

ALl muay chaiya students were invited to the first vale tudo mma event in thailand many years ago, not one had any skill or bothered to enter, no one not praeng was even teaching anything of the sort. Everyone single person in thailand knows this, history cant be rewritten or revised, praeng then suddenly popped up with it after. For years there was mma events and bare knuckle burma vs thailand events, and year after year, muay chaiya failed to show. 12 years down the road, who has proven what? The truth is the truth.

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killer

"Problem is whether on time or in live events, i have not seen one chaiya apply or use a chaiya technique in competition to win or score anything."

I Think you wiil see technic of muay chaiya but you don't know this is technic of muay chaiya.

In this video you will see Chan use elbow defend technic for defend the kick by Muay Thai guy and he surrender in last round becuase he leg is hurt and shin is swell like a lemon too.

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george stando

The structure and fighting stance is not muay chaiya. You applied one muay chaiya stance out of the 1000s you waste your time on.

Look at the reality out of the situation, outside of the brainwashed state you are in, look at the traiing you are doing and the exercises you are doing, vs what is needed in the fight.

There is little to no chaiya stance, structure, footwork even hand position in the fight. You are using modern techns and trying to rewrite backwards into chaiya.

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killer

George i want to ask you have knowledge about muay chaiya ??

you have train Muay chaiya or anything like Ancient muay thai ?

When i train Muay Chaiya and have knowledge about Ancient Muay Thai in 90 years ago They fight in the rule similar Frist UFC rule but more dangerous you can gouge eye ball or hit to jockstrap(in the past have not steel jockstrap like nowday too),attack to adam's apple. and don't worry about you weight he can fight in any weight too.

Not only muay chaiya have many technic than muay thai today when you know about Jeng(Northen Style Muay thai) it have many technic about throwing, pressing, grabbling or clinching and joint breaking too.

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george stando

I watch the fights and have been to various classes and trained with privately with people involved and as you mentioned i trained in lanna style under ajarn manong last year. I trained and traveled various parts of thailand but my focus is on muay thai for the most part and weapons on the side. In watching the fights, as you are putting up the demos to demonstrate muay chaiya, i am responding to those fights you say are emblematic of muay chaiya in regards to mma, stick to the topic you put up. In the fight its obviously an amateur fight and i dont know who the opponent is because muay thai fighters and kai muays hate and dispise amateur muay thai and dont compete in it. Some do but most i would say 90% of them dont bother.

I understand boxing ,muay thai, wrestling and mma. I have participated in all three and i am stating there is little to no muay chaiya being demonstrated in those fights as i stated. What is your background in mma, boxing, muay thai, wrestling, bjj? Who are your teachers and trainers that allows you to compare or understand those? since you dont, why are you trying to push a topic into an area you have limited experience.

Where is the stance, the hand position, the movements, it is not there? Put up the footage of you guys training those stances and structures and put it up against what is coming through in the fights. You will see two different things.

Anyone with one second of training can see there is a huge difference, in the west, we have come to realize that you must train as closely to the sport and fuunction you are trying to execute. Even in the military they do things similar or train to as close to their actions as they will use. In muay chaiya, it is the long way around and over emphasise on things and techs you willnever use or be able to functionally execute.

So it has nothing to do with ME and who I am> Its what you are showing and how this system fits into the matrix of mma.

Muay chaiya is a good system for people to train who dont want to do muay thai or dont want to compete but to do a system that is closest to martial art which covers various areas and approaches. For competition in the ring, muay thai is superior for sport and sport preparation, for muay thai and/or some form of kickboxing like san da serve as a solid base for mma and others choose boxing as a base to completment wrestling or bjj.

Funny thing is we just had a debate about this very topic, all old style believe they have MORE technique which means BETTER technique which is rubbish. You have more technique but not SUPERIOR or highly FUNCTIONAL technique which was the evolution of muay thai. Dont confuse having more techniques most of which are non functional with having a huge arsenal of modern proven techniques for the mma ring which is by the way constantly evolving. You see the guard evolution, you see people escaping mount, escaping from a rear mount...these things evolved in recent years.

Yes, they fought long before the UFC in a primitive fashion in old muay before your and my time and before ajarn thongs or even ajarn khetrs time. But those techs and those progressions are very far from modern MMA. It is a link at best but very far from the current state and you dont fight nor practice that way in muay chaiya since they rarely compete or have competed until recent times.

Every single muay chaiya guy i run into has shit to talk about muay thai but when are you guys going to step up, come on and fight in lumpini and rajadamnern and watch what happens. I am sick of hearing you put down muay thai when you dont want to fight any top notch fighter in a top notch venue. When you do that you will have my respect and gratitude. You will also respect heavily muay thai and change your tone. Muay Thai, boxing, wrestling, BJJ, sambo, etc and other systems are an integral part of MMA because they work together and all forge the proper tuffness and technique flow to win.

I think its good you are competing and doing things but dont try to oversell muay chaiya as any root system for this because you are just lying to the public and trying to sell. Be honest and truthful about your approach and you will attract more students and build a better competition team

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killer

first vale tudo mma event in thailand is 7 year ago and i have dvd too. and in this year i learn taiji and i don't know about Muay Chaiya.

Becuase Kru preang is not tech muay chaiya to other people like today he tech muay chaiya for student in Thai weapon club of Ramkamheang university and other guy who come to learn in his house.and not people know or talk about muay chaiya in internet untill 2003.it will come to talk in pantip.com

first vale tudo mma
???? Thailand Valetudo ???????? 1

And kru preang don't know about this event too. kru preang have computer but it slow and not have internet O_O. i give this valetudo dvd for him later in 2005 and he tell me it look like muay boran fight but safe.

But in target of kru preang he don't want to send someone to fight becuase he want to teach like aikido use for self defense don't want competition. and krupreang talk to me anytime now i don't have train hard like my old master. They have make fame to Muay Chaiya in the past aleady.and we don't have someone want to fight too until Oh (Storm tiger) come to train and he want to show other Muay chaiya can fight not only for show.

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killer

I want to talk with you to much but i think it have wall language with us - -

thank for comment and share you aspect.

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george stando

Fair enough, but everyone was invited to the first vale tudo. The tai chi guy there got destroyed but he had the guts to show. One of my teachers who is a westerner coached the winners (who by the way is a muay chaiya person involved in a very long time in muay chaiya for the record but we can take that up in personal email if you like). Muay chaiya guys showed up and sat in the audience, why not compete? They said they didnt know how to grapple or compete that way. Thats what was said. My teacher said to me same as you said they only have small classes in their backyards and universities so there are not many fighters and few classes, so i agree with your statements because my teacher tell me same thing. History is history.

Look killer, i am just trying to be honest with you. I think you guys are doing the right thing as i said, you are competing and you are out there doing it. I like that. But i take offense to the constant battering of muay thai and you saying that training in muay chaiya will make a good mma competitor which it wont.

In the modern world in the modern era, mma is the sum evolution for sport for someone to compete. You have to adjust everything. Even muay thai must be adjusted, its not pure muay thai, our footwork, the kick and kick retraction, our clinch,needs work, so how can pure muay chaiya work without adjustment. Thats my point. You have to be honest with people and they will be honest with you in return.

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tenzen

i saw some chaiya george you must have missed it. at the beginning he was doing chaiyas wai kru. ha ha ha but yeah killer there is no chaiya there stevie wonder can see that. just my two pieces. later

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Sieh Tanonchai

Men,

unbelievable what just happened here.

Somebody put your nose right on top of an issue and you do not even recognize it.

To everyone who wrote in this thread, except killer,
Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

Do you think we have modern MT through evolution??? Don't give me this ...
Everything known in MT is a part of the ancient, of Pahuyuth-MT, muai Duekdammban and probably of Chaiya as well. This is where is comes from!

Maybe you just need it a little closer: Check these out and tell me what do you see:
0.53 the technique as shown is not a standard roundhouse kick
1:18 elbow defense , he turned his arm with his elbow to the front by intention.
1:32 something similar you see sometimes
2:12 How often you see this one?

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kyuss

man, you are really grasping at straws. What kind of drugs you on, sieh? Come on. The whole fight is so outside muay chaiya structure and what they teach and develop it isnt funny. its actually a perfect example and illustrates the exact argument you dont want to face. how to be functional and stop exaggering and over theoretical every thing. It just shows your true lack of understanding. I mean it looks like even killer understands that.

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