The Ultimate in Martial Arts

george stando · 10-31-2009, 01:27 PM

Pad work seems as diverse as the fighters themselves. But there is this common starting point meaning they usually always start with the same type of hand combo move into the kicks, do the same reps, but how they subtely put it together becomes their own. Plus you have different fighters, like someone else here said, some just plod and have heavy kicks and punches, others move more, some are counter fighters, so on the pads likewise the fighter himself will be a part of the equation. its a subtle interplay between the two.

fire cobra · 10-31-2009, 03:10 PM

Another point on pad work is boxers dont have to be taught what to do when they go onto the pads,they already know what to do,the pad work starts around 20 days before a fight and comprises of fight tactics relative to the opponent the boxer will be facing in the next bout,after the bout no more pad work with the coach only running,bags, clinch and help the next boxer prepare for his bout,until the next time his name goes up on the board!.

george stando · 10-31-2009, 03:18 PM

Good point, fire cobra. Also when I got to camp to camp and I dont do that to much but when i do , i know the routine as well then as i work with the other trainer he works with me and we both adjust to each other. There are times when i do have some problems adjusting to a new pad holder but the work gets done.

fire cobra · 10-31-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by george stando

Good point, fire cobra. Also when I got to camp to camp and I dont do that to much but when i do , i know the routine as well then as i work with the other trainer he works with me and we both adjust to each other. There are times when i do have some problems adjusting to a new pad holder but the work gets done.

George Ive done the same(go from camp to camp) and I now belive its not the best way,Now I belive find a good coach that you enjoy working with and you like his "style" of boxing and stick with him(I feel you will agree with this),of course its nice to get bits and pieces from other coaches camps but thats all they will ever be unless they fit with the way you fight/think/train.

george stando · 10-31-2009, 04:04 PM

After I did go around a few times, i did like you say feel better about my camp and my trainer and just settled into our routines because they work for me and I always feel a constant source of improvement. Also if you jump there is no progression, the trainer keeps pushing you up step by step, at this stage I am not a high level where I can jump and possibly gain from another trainer. Plus we have an ajarn and two trainers, so its three people watching you and helping you. Its best to stay firm with your people because also they trust you and they will share with you everything they know.

If i had one little piece of advice if you want to be good is settle in with the camp and trainer you feel good with and let him take you all the way through. That is if you really want to be good, fight and maybe eventually teach and share the art, you will have a firm base and an understanding of how to climb through the growth process.

kyuss · 10-31-2009, 04:32 PM

I appreciate all the insights and i am definitely paying attention and taking notes for my own training when i get back to thailand.

fire cobra · 10-31-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by george stando

After I did go around a few times, i did like you say feel better about my camp and my trainer and just settled into our routines because they work for me and I always feel a constant source of improvement. Also if you jump there is no progression, the trainer keeps pushing you up step by step, at this stage I am not a high level where I can jump and possibly gain from another trainer. Plus we have an ajarn and two trainers, so its three people watching you and helping you. Its best to stay firm with your people because also they trust you and they will share with you everything they know.

If i had one little piece of advice if you want to be good is settle in with the camp and trainer you feel good with and let him take you all the way through. That is if you really want to be good, fight and maybe eventually teach and share the art, you will have a firm base and an understanding of how to climb through the growth process.

George I couldnt agree more,in fact I would go as far to say that that one bit of advice you just gave is so important it could be the difference beetween actually understanding and gaining real skill in Muay Thai and just trying to get it.

Nice one George,layer upon layer the caoch will give you it and bring it out of you,they know how to do this.

fire cobra · 10-31-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kyuss

I appreciate all the insights and i am definitely paying attention and taking notes for my own training when i get back to thailand.

Kyuss thats the right attitude right there.

george stando · 11-01-2009, 10:35 AM

Hi firecobra, i was originally gung ho to do as much as i could. I read one person did one hundred camps in one year and another did thirty camps or whatever but i realized you couldnt really learn anything that way. It would be just getting to know the trainer and them really just seeing you as an outsider coming to visit. I came to understand when you stay, you get everything day after day, the more they trust, you see work hard, the more comes your way and there needs to be over time. We always want to rush things to get it but its true things need time and muay thai has alot of little things in there and also really understanding. So its fun every once and a while to visit some of my friends in other camps, have fun experiencing that and I do that is good but i come back home. Because it is really your home.

fire cobra · 11-01-2009, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by george stando

Hi firecobra, i was originally gung ho to do as much as i could. I read one person did one hundred camps in one year and another did thirty camps or whatever but i realized you couldnt really learn anything that way. It would be just getting to know the trainer and them really just seeing you as an outsider coming to visit. I came to understand when you stay, you get everything day after day, the more they trust, you see work hard, the more comes your way and there needs to be over time. We always want to rush things to get it but its true things need time and muay thai has alot of little things in there and also really understanding. So its fun every once and a while to visit some of my friends in other camps, have fun experiencing that and I do that is good but i come back home. Because it is really your home.

Great George,I to have friends in other camps and love to go and visit them to.

george stando · 11-01-2009, 11:23 PM

Its good to visit other people and also enjoy the other camps and the sense of community they have themselves. They always treat me so well and I never feel out of place. Then you sort of return home to your own camp. Interesting discussion and insights.

fire cobra · 11-02-2009, 02:55 AM

Great discussion George thanks.

11-01-2009, 10:35 AM	#24 (permalink)
george stando Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bangkok and beyond Posts: 703 Groans: 48 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi firecobra, i was originally gung ho to do as much as i could. I read one person did one hundred camps in one year and another did thirty camps or whatever but i realized you couldnt really learn anything that way. It would be just getting to know the trainer and them really just seeing you as an outsider coming to visit. I came to understand when you stay, you get everything day after day, the more they trust, you see work hard, the more comes your way and there needs to be over time. We always want to rush things to get it but its true things need time and muay thai has alot of little things in there and also really understanding. So its fun every once and a while to visit some of my friends in other camps, have fun experiencing that and I do that is good but i come back home. Because it is really your home.
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10-31-2009, 01:27 PM	#16 (permalink)
george stando Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bangkok and beyond Posts: 703 Groans: 48 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pad work seems as diverse as the fighters themselves. But there is this common starting point meaning they usually always start with the same type of hand combo move into the kicks, do the same reps, but how they subtely put it together becomes their own. Plus you have different fighters, like someone else here said, some just plod and have heavy kicks and punches, others move more, some are counter fighters, so on the pads likewise the fighter himself will be a part of the equation. its a subtle interplay between the two.

10-31-2009, 03:10 PM	#17 (permalink)
fire cobra Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: north east england Posts: 809 Groans: 1 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Another point on pad work is boxers dont have to be taught what to do when they go onto the pads,they already know what to do,the pad work starts around 20 days before a fight and comprises of fight tactics relative to the opponent the boxer will be facing in the next bout,after the bout no more pad work with the coach only running,bags, clinch and help the next boxer prepare for his bout,until the next time his name goes up on the board!.

10-31-2009, 03:18 PM	#18 (permalink)
george stando Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bangkok and beyond Posts: 703 Groans: 48 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Good point, fire cobra. Also when I got to camp to camp and I dont do that to much but when i do , i know the routine as well then as i work with the other trainer he works with me and we both adjust to each other. There are times when i do have some problems adjusting to a new pad holder but the work gets done.

10-31-2009, 04:04 PM	#20 (permalink)
george stando Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bangkok and beyond Posts: 703 Groans: 48 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	After I did go around a few times, i did like you say feel better about my camp and my trainer and just settled into our routines because they work for me and I always feel a constant source of improvement. Also if you jump there is no progression, the trainer keeps pushing you up step by step, at this stage I am not a high level where I can jump and possibly gain from another trainer. Plus we have an ajarn and two trainers, so its three people watching you and helping you. Its best to stay firm with your people because also they trust you and they will share with you everything they know. If i had one little piece of advice if you want to be good is settle in with the camp and trainer you feel good with and let him take you all the way through. That is if you really want to be good, fight and maybe eventually teach and share the art, you will have a firm base and an understanding of how to climb through the growth process.

10-31-2009, 04:32 PM	#21 (permalink)
kyuss Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 67 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I appreciate all the insights and i am definitely paying attention and taking notes for my own training when i get back to thailand.

11-01-2009, 11:23 PM	#26 (permalink)
george stando Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bangkok and beyond Posts: 703 Groans: 48 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Its good to visit other people and also enjoy the other camps and the sense of community they have themselves. They always treat me so well and I never feel out of place. Then you sort of return home to your own camp. Interesting discussion and insights.

11-02-2009, 02:55 AM	#27 (permalink)
fire cobra Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: north east england Posts: 809 Groans: 1 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Great discussion George thanks.

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