The Ultimate in Martial Arts

Tom Yum · 07-03-2003, 07:46 PM

Ever stop to do a diagnostic check on your skills? I watched myself very closely while shadow boxing/kicking and took notes on things that I need to work on. Does one of the following apply to you?

1. "My Round/Cut kicks are hard; push kicks are strong but my foot work, mobility and hand speed are lacking?"

2. "My techniques are hard/powerful, but a little slow"

3. "My techniques are fast but not hard/powerful"

4. "My punches and kicks are fast and hard, but I am weak in the clinch"

5. "I can get the clinch and work from there, but I get hit alot/freeze up going into the clinch"

yenhoi · 07-07-2003, 07:08 PM

Yes. Invaluable.

Currently I rate myself on a 10 point scale for attributes and a 5 point scale for skills. I do not recognize techniques.

Tom Yum · 07-07-2003, 07:26 PM

Building attributes doesn't transfer over 100% for me - I have to also work on the skill set and the desired attribute.

jonbid · 07-09-2003, 08:23 PM

I wont annoy everybody in the forum, or show myself up to be the most newbie ever, by asking someone to explain the clinch to me but would someone point me in the direction of a web site that explains/illustrates it? it would be much appreciated.

Would I be right to assume "kick boxing" is kind of imbetween boxing and muay thai??

sorry for all the questions people, maybe one day i be able to answer somebody's questions for a change!!

Jamiefighter · 07-09-2003, 11:34 PM

I would have to respond to number 5, as being my fighting defect. In my last fight I got in the clinch with my opponent and he did not throw me around and I controlled (or at least he did not control me), but he kept on kneeing and being active-thus gaining points on the judges card. My problem is I don't knee enough in the clinch. I tend to move my hands and body a lot and when an opening occurs I'll throw one (and only one) knee. I am kind've scared to knee a lot in the because I am afraid it will throw me off

Damian Mavis · 07-09-2003, 11:49 PM

Hi Jonbid, saying kickboxing is between boxing and Muay Thai is a pretty good anology. Simple but good. Kickboxing has the hand techniques of boxing AND the kicks while Muay Thai has all that and knees and elbows along with stand up grappling and even a few throws.

The clinch is like stand up grappling with one fighter having a dominant position by having his arms locked around the neck of his opponent and able to knee more effectively because of his superior positioning. Both fighters will struggle to get the superior position so often it comes out somewhat neutral with the better fighter able to land more knees and possibly throws from various arm positions. I'm sure someone could explain it better than me but that is basically it.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

dave_UK_MT · 07-10-2003, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom Yum

2. "My techniques are hard/powerful, but a little slow"

3. "My techniques are fast but not hard/powerful"

Contradicted yourself on those two mate?????

fighting_angel · 07-10-2003, 08:27 AM

I think I'm a wee bit guilty of number 2, I tend to move around and not hit as much as I should either...

Tom Yum · 07-10-2003, 11:22 AM

Hey Dave, long time no see mate!

I've known some guys in the amateur level that can swing a hard thai kick and throw a KO right cross, but you can see it coming a mile away - #2

Likewise in boxing, the guys who win on points are quick but not hard hitters - #3

07-03-2003, 07:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,573 Groans: 1 Groaned at 5 Times in 5 Posts	Your Muay Thai/Boxing Check up Ever stop to do a diagnostic check on your skills? I watched myself very closely while shadow boxing/kicking and took notes on things that I need to work on. Does one of the following apply to you? 1. "My Round/Cut kicks are hard; push kicks are strong but my foot work, mobility and hand speed are lacking?" 2. "My techniques are hard/powerful, but a little slow" 3. "My techniques are fast but not hard/powerful" 4. "My punches and kicks are fast and hard, but I am weak in the clinch" 5. "I can get the clinch and work from there, but I get hit alot/freeze up going into the clinch" Last edited by Tom Yum; 07-03-2003 at 09:20 PM.

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yenhoi Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Reno, Nv Posts: 211 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes. Invaluable. Currently I rate myself on a 10 point scale for attributes and a 5 point scale for skills. I do not recognize techniques. __________________ strike!

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07-07-2003, 07:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,573 Groans: 1 Groaned at 5 Times in 5 Posts	Building attributes doesn't transfer over 100% for me - I have to also work on the skill set and the desired attribute.

07-09-2003, 08:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
jonbid Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 54 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I wont annoy everybody in the forum, or show myself up to be the most newbie ever, by asking someone to explain the clinch to me but would someone point me in the direction of a web site that explains/illustrates it? it would be much appreciated. Would I be right to assume "kick boxing" is kind of imbetween boxing and muay thai?? sorry for all the questions people, maybe one day i be able to answer somebody's questions for a change!!

07-09-2003, 11:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jamiefighter Novice Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 19 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I would have to respond to number 5, as being my fighting defect. In my last fight I got in the clinch with my opponent and he did not throw me around and I controlled (or at least he did not control me), but he kept on kneeing and being active-thus gaining points on the judges card. My problem is I don't knee enough in the clinch. I tend to move my hands and body a lot and when an opening occurs I'll throw one (and only one) knee. I am kind've scared to knee a lot in the because I am afraid it will throw me off

07-09-2003, 11:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
Damian Mavis Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 669 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Jonbid, saying kickboxing is between boxing and Muay Thai is a pretty good anology. Simple but good. Kickboxing has the hand techniques of boxing AND the kicks while Muay Thai has all that and knees and elbows along with stand up grappling and even a few throws. The clinch is like stand up grappling with one fighter having a dominant position by having his arms locked around the neck of his opponent and able to knee more effectively because of his superior positioning. Both fighters will struggle to get the superior position so often it comes out somewhat neutral with the better fighter able to land more knees and possibly throws from various arm positions. I'm sure someone could explain it better than me but that is basically it. Damian Mavis Honour TKD

07-10-2003, 08:27 AM	#8 (permalink)
fighting_angel Novice Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 16 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think I'm a wee bit guilty of number 2, I tend to move around and not hit as much as I should either...

07-10-2003, 11:22 AM	#9 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,573 Groans: 1 Groaned at 5 Times in 5 Posts	Hey Dave, long time no see mate! I've known some guys in the amateur level that can swing a hard thai kick and throw a KO right cross, but you can see it coming a mile away - #2 Likewise in boxing, the guys who win on points are quick but not hard hitters - #3

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