The Ultimate in Martial Arts

Dimz18 · 07-10-2003, 03:11 PM

I started tacking Muay Thaiy 3 months ago. My friend thought that it wont do anythin for me and i disagreed so he made a challange that we'll fight in a ring in 1 yr. He's more experienced as a street fighter. ( lives in a bad neighborhood) however i never fought in my entire life. I'm 6'1 around 150lbs my friend is 5=8 and 140lbs. And not fat. He's also alot stronger then me. I know i got the size on my side but im just curious what do you ppl think. wil i pose a challange for him. if i was tacking Muay thia for 1 yeay 3X week for 90 min sessions. thnkx and sry 4 the spelling

CHOPS · 07-11-2003, 12:58 AM

Spar as much as possible. It will help you with your timing. Take it slow on your technique. Really concentrate on your technique. Take it slow on your technique. You should progress fairly quickly.
That, of course, my opinion.

Jamiefighter · 07-11-2003, 01:15 AM

Listen to CHOPS, but also add heavy bag rounds and thai pad rounds. Vary the intensity, go slow and concentrate on very good form some rounds, and at other rounds go really hard till you puke (or just about) because that is what a fight feels like. Roadwork is essential, especially against a 'streetfighter' because chances are he fights like a competitor in a tough man competition-he goes all out for 30 seconds to a minute (or whatever) but then dies of exhaustion. Roadwork will greatly impove your endurance, toughness, and discipline-and thus wear him out (that's how I won my first fight against a total scraper). Little weight training is helpful too (just make you are on a correct program or else its pretty much worthless)

jcolvin · 07-11-2003, 03:22 AM

work on your conditioning. All the technique in the world won't help if you gas out.

ad_infinitum · 07-11-2003, 06:36 AM

1. Have you ever seen him fight?
2. Do you know his favourite tecniques (or tricks)? Most self taught - instinctive fighters will have a minimal set of tecniques that they like and work for them, and use these at all times.
3. Is it going to be a stand-up punch for punch/kick for kick fight with boxing gloves and such? Is there a chance that he will grab you and try to wrestle you (being as you say alot stronger than you, that would be to his advantage, as in a wrestling contest, speed and tecnique will not matter as much as pure strength and endurance, unless you are a *really* good wrestler)
4. Do you have some kind of plan? What kind of fight do you think would favor you based on how you assess your skills? There is much to be said about responding to the other man's offense, but it's a good thing to try to force on him your own strategy. (move the fight away from things you're uncomfortable with - think of ways to sabotage him)

As you said that he's your friend I'm assuming you don't want to cripple him, or use excessive force (adrenaline can make you do this even without meaning to). Can you expect a similar courtesy on his behalf? Is it a friendly fight, or a "friendly" fight? (Is he pridefull?)
Honestly, I think that a year of training for a previously untrained person is not too much especially to help you keep a cool head under pressure (but could be enough). Have you been hit or wrestled in the gym? Do you know how you respond to blows?

If you don't give us more info on the rules of this fight and your "opponent" I really don't think we can contribute much.

To sum it up. In my opinion:
Get in a "serious" mental attitude, at least when the fight starts.
Compose yourself, guard yourself well (be wary of unorthodox attacks).
Be mobile and try to "work" him. No short bursts of energy. Frustrate him, work your distances start your attacks from as far as you can make them effective (really connect) and follow through relentlessly (don't stop after you "score" a point, keep going until you can disengage on YOUR terms)

Finally, try your best to win but ...
use your adrenaline don't let it use you!
Try even more to "give him a good fight" and make him sweat for the outcome.
Some people will probably disagree with the above and tell you to go all-out and confident (but there is only so much positive thinking will do, if not backed up by actual skill!)
Most importantly since you're a relative newbie

do you like what you're doing, have you "found your path", looking back over this period do you see yourself improving, do you expect that in regardless of how good you will be at the end of this year you will be twice as good by the end of the next?
If you answered yes to any of these I think you'll do OK (in this fight as well as others)

Take care (but push yourself

)

Ghost · 07-11-2003, 07:32 AM

Most likely if you train hard you will win.

Thai Boxing trains you to fight.

Train hard and you will beat him in 6 months.easily.

Paul Wilson · 07-11-2003, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CHOPS
Spar as much as possible. It will help you with your timing. Take it slow on your technique. Really concentrate on your technique. Take it slow on your technique. You should progress fairly quickly.
That, of course, my opinion.

What.
In Muay Thai technique is everything. Power and strength second. Train as long as you can ASAP slowerly yes but dominated aswell.
It is bad technique that injuries occur. It is bad technique why people get swiped.

Anyway. Muay Thai training is hard. So you will win. If you don't then you should be shamed. You should never be beaten up by a street fighter. We are martial artist we know how to fight. They just Drink Smoke and tack drugs then start fights.
Why they start fights I do not know.
They are ignorant to find others ways to fight. That is why he doubted you when you told him.

Try get him to fight in Muay Thai. It'll change he's mind.
It's hard. Harder than street fighting where they do not train and just fight in alleys and the streets. Its crap. All these fights are poo.

It's like at school when you have children running to watch a fight.
The fights are always poo.
Not like martial arts. Martial arts is a challenge.
its harder.

Good luck any ways. I have no doubt that you will win my martial artist fellow friend.

Dimz18 · 07-11-2003, 01:48 PM

Its Its my 3rd month of training and so far we only covered 3 punches hooks, upercuts and jabs and now learning our elbows and shin kicks. So i dont really feel prepared at all. Anyways my friend hes a a good a wrestler that is most of his strategy. However we made an agreement that there wont be any wrestling during our fight. During the fight we'll b using gloves and all the protective gear we need not to kill each other.
OOh and one more important question. My friend has a different stance that im not used to. His legs are not in muy thai stance. Instead of them being parallel to the shoulders. His right leg is in front and his left leg is in the bag. I learned that he likes to do a kung fu move that one of my friends tought him. He makes a little step to step on the opponents shin on knee and as he doing it throws a punch. Any sugestions agot the weeknesses of this position would be apriciated.
Thnkx

Jamiefighter · 07-11-2003, 03:39 PM

I've never fought a southpaw (right leg forward), but when I spar with them I always try to box them in(corner them) and unload my offensive. If he is more of a wrestler use your uppercuts and knees because they tend to keep their heads low. I've done sparring with wrestlers they are strong so don't really try and go for a long exchange with them (combos then move out, and it doesn't mean you have to run away from them-see roy jones, ruiz fight), also since there is no groundfighting, then you will be able to dominate him in the clinch because he'll try and over power you, but muay thai teaches you to be lose in the clinch which controls the opponent.

Dimz18 · 07-13-2003, 03:05 AM

*bump*

twillbanks · 07-15-2003, 03:53 PM

Dimz,

My suggestion is twofold:

A fighter who is sideways, as you describe, has less of a foundation to absorb the impact of your round kicks. You might consider kicking to his leg in this situation. Even if he "blocks," the impact that you give him will disorient him physically and psychologically.

Secondly, it sounds like the technique that your friend uses assumes that his opponent is just going to stand in front of him while he does this. May I suggest cutting an angle, by which I mean moving closer to him, yet at an angle off to the side, so that you are a)directly out of his line of fire, and b) in a position that he's not expecting you, leaving you an opportunity for an offensive. Especially consider cutting an angle to his back. KNEE 'IM IN THE KIDNEYS!

ryanhall · 07-15-2003, 05:20 PM

Paul Wilson wrote:

Quote:

Anyway. Muay Thai training is hard. So you will win. If you don't then you should be shamed. You should never be beaten up by a street fighter. We are martial artist we know how to fight. They just Drink Smoke and tack drugs then start fights.

Well, that was ignorant. You should talk less and open your ears more, grasshopper.

Dimz18 · 07-16-2003, 12:05 AM

thnkx 4 your sugestions

dave_UK_MT · 07-17-2003, 05:18 AM

IF he's stood with one foot practically behind the other then low kick his leading leg till he starts to cry!!! Then elbow him in the face.....easy.

BTW I started MT 10 months ago and was ready to fight 2 months ago but had to pull out due to a broken toe.
My first fight will be in October which is 13 months after I started, I train at least 4 times a week and I'm in with the top fighters in the gym, this is important, you won't really progress if you stay in the beginner/intermediate group.

twillbanks · 07-17-2003, 09:53 AM

Agreed. ALWAYS challenge yourself! Just be sure to know how far you are capable of going without overdoing it--it can do more harm than good.

Now, if I could only practice what I preach...

07-10-2003, 03:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dimz18 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 54 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Fight coming up. I started tacking Muay Thaiy 3 months ago. My friend thought that it wont do anythin for me and i disagreed so he made a challange that we'll fight in a ring in 1 yr. He's more experienced as a street fighter. ( lives in a bad neighborhood) however i never fought in my entire life. I'm 6'1 around 150lbs my friend is 5=8 and 140lbs. And not fat. He's also alot stronger then me. I know i got the size on my side but im just curious what do you ppl think. wil i pose a challange for him. if i was tacking Muay thia for 1 yeay 3X week for 90 min sessions. thnkx and sry 4 the spelling

07-11-2003, 12:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
CHOPS Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 25 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	SIZE IS A GOOD THING Spar as much as possible. It will help you with your timing. Take it slow on your technique. Really concentrate on your technique. Take it slow on your technique. You should progress fairly quickly. That, of course, my opinion.

07-11-2003, 06:36 AM	#5 (permalink)
ad_infinitum Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Undis Closed Posts: 10 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	1. Have you ever seen him fight? 2. Do you know his favourite tecniques (or tricks)? Most self taught - instinctive fighters will have a minimal set of tecniques that they like and work for them, and use these at all times. 3. Is it going to be a stand-up punch for punch/kick for kick fight with boxing gloves and such? Is there a chance that he will grab you and try to wrestle you (being as you say alot stronger than you, that would be to his advantage, as in a wrestling contest, speed and tecnique will not matter as much as pure strength and endurance, unless you are a really good wrestler) 4. Do you have some kind of plan? What kind of fight do you think would favor you based on how you assess your skills? There is much to be said about responding to the other man's offense, but it's a good thing to try to force on him your own strategy. (move the fight away from things you're uncomfortable with - think of ways to sabotage him) As you said that he's your friend I'm assuming you don't want to cripple him, or use excessive force (adrenaline can make you do this even without meaning to). Can you expect a similar courtesy on his behalf? Is it a friendly fight, or a "friendly" fight? (Is he pridefull?) Honestly, I think that a year of training for a previously untrained person is not too much especially to help you keep a cool head under pressure (but could be enough). Have you been hit or wrestled in the gym? Do you know how you respond to blows? If you don't give us more info on the rules of this fight and your "opponent" I really don't think we can contribute much. To sum it up. In my opinion: Get in a "serious" mental attitude, at least when the fight starts. Compose yourself, guard yourself well (be wary of unorthodox attacks). Be mobile and try to "work" him. No short bursts of energy. Frustrate him, work your distances start your attacks from as far as you can make them effective (really connect) and follow through relentlessly (don't stop after you "score" a point, keep going until you can disengage on YOUR terms) Finally, try your best to win but ... use your adrenaline don't let it use you! Try even more to "give him a good fight" and make him sweat for the outcome. Some people will probably disagree with the above and tell you to go all-out and confident (but there is only so much positive thinking will do, if not backed up by actual skill!) Most importantly since you're a relative newbie do you like what you're doing, have you "found your path", looking back over this period do you see yourself improving, do you expect that in regardless of how good you will be at the end of this year you will be twice as good by the end of the next? If you answered yes to any of these I think you'll do OK (in this fight as well as others) Take care (but push yourself ) __________________ feed well your inner beast, else it comes out to bite you!

07-11-2003, 01:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
Dimz18 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 54 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	more details Its Its my 3rd month of training and so far we only covered 3 punches hooks, upercuts and jabs and now learning our elbows and shin kicks. So i dont really feel prepared at all. Anyways my friend hes a a good a wrestler that is most of his strategy. However we made an agreement that there wont be any wrestling during our fight. During the fight we'll b using gloves and all the protective gear we need not to kill each other. OOh and one more important question. My friend has a different stance that im not used to. His legs are not in muy thai stance. Instead of them being parallel to the shoulders. His right leg is in front and his left leg is in the bag. I learned that he likes to do a kung fu move that one of my friends tought him. He makes a little step to step on the opponents shin on knee and as he doing it throws a punch. Any sugestions agot the weeknesses of this position would be apriciated. Thnkx Last edited by Dimz18; 07-11-2003 at 02:24 PM.

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07-11-2003, 01:15 AM	#3 (permalink)
Jamiefighter Novice Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 19 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Listen to CHOPS, but also add heavy bag rounds and thai pad rounds. Vary the intensity, go slow and concentrate on very good form some rounds, and at other rounds go really hard till you puke (or just about) because that is what a fight feels like. Roadwork is essential, especially against a 'streetfighter' because chances are he fights like a competitor in a tough man competition-he goes all out for 30 seconds to a minute (or whatever) but then dies of exhaustion. Roadwork will greatly impove your endurance, toughness, and discipline-and thus wear him out (that's how I won my first fight against a total scraper). Little weight training is helpful too (just make you are on a correct program or else its pretty much worthless)

07-11-2003, 03:22 AM	#4 (permalink)
jcolvin Novice Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 108 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	work on your conditioning. All the technique in the world won't help if you gas out.

07-11-2003, 03:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
Jamiefighter Novice Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 19 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I've never fought a southpaw (right leg forward), but when I spar with them I always try to box them in(corner them) and unload my offensive. If he is more of a wrestler use your uppercuts and knees because they tend to keep their heads low. I've done sparring with wrestlers they are strong so don't really try and go for a long exchange with them (combos then move out, and it doesn't mean you have to run away from them-see roy jones, ruiz fight), also since there is no groundfighting, then you will be able to dominate him in the clinch because he'll try and over power you, but muay thai teaches you to be lose in the clinch which controls the opponent.

07-13-2003, 03:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
Dimz18 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 54 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	bump

07-15-2003, 03:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
twillbanks Novice Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 17 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dimz, My suggestion is twofold: A fighter who is sideways, as you describe, has less of a foundation to absorb the impact of your round kicks. You might consider kicking to his leg in this situation. Even if he "blocks," the impact that you give him will disorient him physically and psychologically. Secondly, it sounds like the technique that your friend uses assumes that his opponent is just going to stand in front of him while he does this. May I suggest cutting an angle, by which I mean moving closer to him, yet at an angle off to the side, so that you are a)directly out of his line of fire, and b) in a position that he's not expecting you, leaving you an opportunity for an offensive. Especially consider cutting an angle to his back. KNEE 'IM IN THE KIDNEYS!

07-16-2003, 12:05 AM	#13 (permalink)
Dimz18 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 54 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	thnkx 4 your sugestions

07-17-2003, 05:18 AM	#14 (permalink)
dave_UK_MT Novice Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 73 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	IF he's stood with one foot practically behind the other then low kick his leading leg till he starts to cry!!! Then elbow him in the face.....easy. BTW I started MT 10 months ago and was ready to fight 2 months ago but had to pull out due to a broken toe. My first fight will be in October which is 13 months after I started, I train at least 4 times a week and I'm in with the top fighters in the gym, this is important, you won't really progress if you stay in the beginner/intermediate group.

07-17-2003, 09:53 AM	#15 (permalink)
twillbanks Novice Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 17 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Agreed. ALWAYS challenge yourself! Just be sure to know how far you are capable of going without overdoing it--it can do more harm than good. Now, if I could only practice what I preach...

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