MT vs. SANSHOU - Page 7

retired · 04-11-2004, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JP Prideaux

Good God this is hilarious.

JP i feel like crying for the guy with his ignorant beliefs

sherwinc · 04-11-2004, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by darrianation

Sorry DM but I can't let bull shit spew forth unchecked.

A boxer’s power.

Boxers turn punching into a real science. Power- Boxers first work to improve their form. Power comes from proper bone alignment, relaxation, pivot, weight shifting, and snap that transfer the energy from the ground up. The feet, hips, back, and shoulder all move with precise timing to transfer the energy through to the end of the punch and follow through and all energy into their opponent.

Punching power= .5mass x velocity (2) or (1/2mv2) I have seen different formulas but they all basically say the same thing.

I am a heavy weight I had always thought I could hit hard, that was until I started training in boxing. I soon found out that though I could hit hard the other heavy weights would out power me by far and there were cruiser and Light Heavyweights that had more power than I did and to top it all off they moved much faster than I did too.

In my boxing gym I had guys knock the wind out me while I was holding the heavy bag for them. I have had guys who have landed jabs on me and I saw stars. No one can tell me or convince me that boxers can’t hit hard!

Boxers spend more time and throw more punches than anybody. They work in front of mirrors, with coaches, other boxers, they use focus mitts, heavy bags, and other bags/pads to develop form and timing. Then comes the sparring. Boxers are the best punchers no one else compares. They can punch the hardest and the fastest and good boxer uses body and foot movement to make you miss. They also know when to punch and when not to, and they have very high percentages of landing punches especially against lower caliber boxers.

Power- here is a short list of knockout percentages of the KO kings.
1) Rocky Marciano: 87% KOs
2) Joe Frazier: 84% KOs
3) James Jefferies 83% KOs
4) Jack Dempsey: 79% KOs
5) Joe Luis: 78% KOs
6) Sonny Liston: 78% KOs
7) Max Baer: 74% KOs
8) Archie Moore: 73% KOs A light heavyweight with a 143 knockouts (although some may debate this)

Need I say more? Convinced?!?!?!?!?

but they did not knock-out their opponent in just 1 punch or 3 punches only, instead..... it reached to a plenty of rounds of fights before they knockout (mostly)

while in KungFu..... if kungfu will hit your first - he will not give you a time to recover thus, a sucsessive follow-up of rapid punches and wont stop until you see stars..... with no referee breaks. (this shows you how devastating kungfu is....)

KopyKat · 04-11-2004, 08:17 PM

Yes thats because they wear gloves so that the DON'T knock the guy out in one shot lol. If they fought like in the olden days with muay thai, it was one shot and you were mostly done, which brings me to this...
http://crane.50megs.com/index6r.htm

And i agree with Damien once again with his last post.

sherwinc · 04-11-2004, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KopyKat

Yes thats because they wear gloves so that the DON'T knock the guy out in one shot lol. If they fought like in the olden days with muay thai, it was one shot and you were mostly done, which brings me to this...
http://crane.50megs.com/index6r.htm

And i agree with Damien once again with his last post.

but wearing gloves forced you to only used 6 punches like:
1. cross punch
2. jab punch
3. roundhouse punch
4. straight punch
5. uppercut punch
6. hook punch

cause that 6 kinds of punch is compatible with using gloves......

but....

using gloves.... it makes your
WingChun Chainpunching weak,
you cannot use your NgoChoKun Child Holding the Table,
you cannot use your NgoChoKun Kim to pick the eyes of the opponent,
you cannot use your ChiDianBun Rib-Cage Attack to destroy the bridge of nose as well as tearing the two holes of nostrils,
you cannot use your ChiDianBun Swordfinger to pull down your opponent's bottom of toungue,
You cannot use your ChiDianBun #5 level 2 to grab opponent's collar (serve as a trigger to rapidly Leopard knuckle your opponents adams apple)

plenty of restriction, plenty of limitations..... that is the reason why you are forced to use only 6 punches (jab, cross, hook, uppercut, roundhouse, straight) if you wear stupid gloves....

if i only use these (jab, cross, hook, uppercut, roundhouse, straight) i will surely lose the fight......

KopyKat · 04-12-2004, 01:11 AM

Oh man you truly are retarded like Damien said...each of those punches can be used in different situations, and just look at that site, it proves you wrong 100% so think what you want lol

retired · 04-12-2004, 02:41 AM

Yep he's DUMB but then again he can only quote what he knows which is JACK SHIT

I tell you what, you pop in to a local boxing gym or thai gym & tell them of your deadlly art & they would be more than welcome to fight without gloves & see if you manage to stop even those first 6 punches.

If i kick you once you will drop like a sack of shit because you wont block it with your kungfu.

sherwinc · 04-12-2004, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by retired

Yep he's DUMB but then again he can only quote what he knows which is JACK SHIT

I tell you what, you pop in to a local boxing gym or thai gym & tell them of your deadlly art & they would be more than welcome to fight without gloves & see if you manage to stop even those first 6 punches.

If i kick you once you will drop like a sack of shit because you wont block it with your kungfu.

then to make the fare ratio of hit to 1:1......

i will hit you sword finger to stab your eyes...then hit me with 1 punch to the head....

or.....

you will hit me with 1 punch to the head and i will hit you with my 1 sword finger to stab your eyes.....

Question:
which is the most devastating kind of hand attack???????

Note:
i may see stars when i fall asleep while you permanently see the darkness in your whole life

KopyKat · 04-12-2004, 08:32 PM

Considering an advanced kickboxer would even let you hit his face once, the whole big rule in any kind of kickboxing is guard your face, I (and i think its safe to say) and all the others here think you would find it harder than you think...

Dimz18 · 04-12-2004, 09:49 PM

What would happen to your finger when you miss the eye and get the forehead?
Just a thought

sherwinc · 04-12-2004, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimz18

What would happen to your finger when you miss the eye and get the forehead?
Just a thought

HAW HAW HAW, this is a very good question!!!!!!!

i almost frequently practice swordfingers unto the banana trunk, i strike it but not directly..... but if it hit unto the eyes it does blood will surely appear....

here's another..... if you only know NgoChoKun KungFu's Kim - aside from hitting it in the forearm to temporary disable the forearm of the opponent, it can be used to prick the eyes of the opponents but it is done circle to hit the edge of the side of the eyes lined to his bridge of nose, whether it missed or hit, your fingers will not damage......

Note:
practice makes perfection......

here's another.... the twin Eagle Claw strike (3 fingers) to the opponents both eyes but the two thumbs hits both eyes of the opponents, whether missed or not, your thumb will not break......

DO PRACTICE IT IN BANANA TRUNK (hit it diagonally and not directly) AND HIT IT AGAIN THE SAME TARGET

Note:
unlimited, brutal, Illusion Hand attacks to the eye category is one of the benefits that you will get in learning various types of KungFu.....

be sure to master that technique before proceeding to next technique..... gradually..... and you will truly understand my oppinion.....

Note:
if you see a kungfu practice TaiChi Sword, or WuTang Sword or Northern Fast Sword held by his Right Hand, try to look at his Left Hand and that is what i mean his EXTENSION SWORD FINGER......

then do hit your monitor using your Sword Finger (hit it diagonally and not directly) ....... if the monitor in front of you collapse without hurting your fingers then you have a pontential.......

believe me......

Tom Yum · 04-12-2004, 10:45 PM

Do you do a donkey show too?

sherwinc · 04-12-2004, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Do you do a donkey show too?

KungFu has many category with regards to animals whether it is classified into an ANIMAL CATEGORY, or HUMAN CATEGORY, or SCIENTIFIC CATEGORY

speaking of Animals, the only animals that contains in our KungFu is the Eagle, Snake, Leopard, Tiger, Crane, Pheonix but all of it are not pure.... i mean my kungfu is now a combination (like the difference of an ELEMENT compare to a COMPOUND in Science)

since "Absorb what is usefull, reject what is useless, add especially what is your own"

I do collect all the goods of every KungFu and reject what is not compatible to my own potential.... thus, this is what i called an ANOTHER VERSION OF JEET KUNE DO ( a combination of all good compatible KungFu's to reject what is not capable to me )

and my only key is the distance of me and my opponent depends upon what type of KungFu category will i use.....

retired · 04-13-2004, 03:53 AM

So if these techniques were copied or adapted from animals show me a Pheonix or a dragon.........Hmmm they dont exist so what does that tell you?

Tell me which MA styles you think you can destroy with your kungfu?

The thing is the best people in the world dont boast about who or what MA they can destroy so why you?

Toudiyama[NL] · 04-13-2004, 04:48 AM

"There is no real KF in the philipines, except for the school I study"

This about the same as saying God told you, you are the only profet and we have to take your word for it, if asked why....because God told you so

Fake KF, true KF, it seems SW thinks that any KF that admids it has its flaws, has to be fake, true KF won't ever admit their flaws and will avoid any situation that will prove them

I think SW would be the perfect student for Emin Boztepe

Book-knowledge and hear-say instead of experience with other styles isn't going to impress anyone here
Laying big claims without any proof won't do that either

It's like someone calling himself the best builder for 20 years because he knows the most about the materials but in all this time never build one thing
Would you let him build your house or would you let someone do it with less knowledge about all the availlable materials but has build over 100 houses even though these houses were only so called modelhouses (to show what people would be buying) modelhouses as in houses that are only used to show people but which can be lived in

darrianation · 04-13-2004, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sherwinc

but they did not knock-out their opponent in just 1 punch or 3 punches only, instead..... it reached to a plenty of rounds of fights before they knockout (mostly)

while in KungFu..... if kungfu will hit your first - he will not give you a time to recover thus, a sucsessive follow-up of rapid punches and wont stop until you see stars..... with no referee breaks. (this shows you how devastating kungfu is....)

Shedick you are an ignorant, blind, asshole. You refuse to use logic in you arguments and refuse to see the evidence that’s in front of you. This tells me that you are a fraud and a liar and you bring shame to the art that you do.

First about boxers- There have been very, very, very many first round knockouts! There have been many, many, many one punch knockouts. One of the reasons there are so many fights that go several rounds attests to the boxers being able to receive incredible amounts of punishment, but still continue to fight. This is a testament to their mental and physical toughness not the lack of their power.

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Toudiyama[NL] Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Zaandam, Netherlands Posts: 1,390	"There is no real KF in the philipines, except for the school I study" This about the same as saying God told you, you are the only profet and we have to take your word for it, if asked why....because God told you so Fake KF, true KF, it seems SW thinks that any KF that admids it has its flaws, has to be fake, true KF won't ever admit their flaws and will avoid any situation that will prove them I think SW would be the perfect student for Emin Boztepe Book-knowledge and hear-say instead of experience with other styles isn't going to impress anyone here Laying big claims without any proof won't do that either It's like someone calling himself the best builder for 20 years because he knows the most about the materials but in all this time never build one thing Would you let him build your house or would you let someone do it with less knowledge about all the availlable materials but has build over 100 houses even though these houses were only so called modelhouses (to show what people would be buying) modelhouses as in houses that are only used to show people but which can be lived in __________________

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04-11-2004, 08:17 PM	#93 (permalink)
KopyKat Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 55	Yes thats because they wear gloves so that the DON'T knock the guy out in one shot lol. If they fought like in the olden days with muay thai, it was one shot and you were mostly done, which brings me to this... http://crane.50megs.com/index6r.htm And i agree with Damien once again with his last post.

04-12-2004, 01:11 AM	#95 (permalink)
KopyKat Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 55	Oh man you truly are retarded like Damien said...each of those punches can be used in different situations, and just look at that site, it proves you wrong 100% so think what you want lol

04-12-2004, 02:41 AM	#96 (permalink)
retired Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: wales-great britain Posts: 886	Yep he's DUMB but then again he can only quote what he knows which is JACK SHIT I tell you what, you pop in to a local boxing gym or thai gym & tell them of your deadlly art & they would be more than welcome to fight without gloves & see if you manage to stop even those first 6 punches. If i kick you once you will drop like a sack of shit because you wont block it with your kungfu.

04-12-2004, 08:32 PM	#98 (permalink)
KopyKat Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 55	Considering an advanced kickboxer would even let you hit his face once, the whole big rule in any kind of kickboxing is guard your face, I (and i think its safe to say) and all the others here think you would find it harder than you think...

04-12-2004, 09:49 PM	#99 (permalink)
Dimz18 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 54	What would happen to your finger when you miss the eye and get the forehead? Just a thought

04-12-2004, 10:45 PM	#101 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,192	Do you do a donkey show too?

04-13-2004, 03:53 AM	#103 (permalink)
retired Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: wales-great britain Posts: 886	So if these techniques were copied or adapted from animals show me a Pheonix or a dragon.........Hmmm they dont exist so what does that tell you? Tell me which MA styles you think you can destroy with your kungfu? The thing is the best people in the world dont boast about who or what MA they can destroy so why you?

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