darrianation

Okay let’s take a look at science as it is applied to MAs (at least on a basic level).

This is where you argument falls apart when stating that KF (your KF, or you) is superior to all non-KF arts.

Occam’s razor: one should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything. Or in other words the simplest hypothesis is usually the one that’s correct.

Another scientific principle; is to develop a theory and prove it right or wrong.

I’ll give to you an example of how this applies to MAs. I have a theory that simple direct attacks or defenses are more effective than complicated or indirect attack and defenses.

Hypothesis

I’ll use my favorite combination to illustrate. Jab, step jab, Rt. Cross, Rt. Low kick this is a simple short combo that I hypothesize will be effective against most fighters.

Test

I fight Mr. A: I throw a perfectly executed jab, step jab, Rt. Cross, Rt. Low kick and Mr. A goes down.

I fight Mr. B: I throw a perfectly executed jab, which he parries, and he catches my second jab with his hand but my cross drives through to his jaw and he stumbles back my round kick catches him and he’s done.

Theory proven!

Now let’s complicate things a bit.

I fight Mr. C: He attacks right away and throws a jab, I parry his jab and I return a jab, but I am caught by his right cross then a clinch and several knees.

Theory is proven but as in the real world it isn’t perfect (meaning it doesn’t’ work all the time against everyone).

You speak in absolutes and there are no absolutes in fighting in the ring or in the streets, but you can still prove a hypothesis in MAs to a reasonable conclusion.

So shedick prove it!

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In hills, as well as in villages and cities, hazards and predators find those who walk backwards.- Ezekiel Sanchez

retired

I wouldn't bother replying again mate as he seems to be in some kind of religious kungfu cult where his Mcdojo has brainwashed him into thinking he's perfect or his art is the ultimate art.

darrianation

Agreed!

It's not kung fu but his kung fu that is so supernaturally superior. He defies all logic, reason, and science.

I guess we shouldn't cast our pearls among swine!

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In hills, as well as in villages and cities, hazards and predators find those who walk backwards.- Ezekiel Sanchez

retired

I can see the next thread now asking why he was annihalated after he threw his monkey tail spear finger.

He aint seen the Welsh Dragon kick yet

darrianation

He can attack with his rolling thunder punches all he wants he may even get a 3:1 ratio but on that one right cross I throw, it will smash through his forarm blocks to his jaw and he'll be spending the next several days in the hospital.

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In hills, as well as in villages and cities, hazards and predators find those who walk backwards.- Ezekiel Sanchez

sherwinc

I'll answer these according to the degree level that i reached in practicing Kungfu:

1. Against non-kungfu martial arts that uses mostly STRAIGHT PUNCHES like (Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Tang Soo Do, etc...)
a. Tai Chi Chuan
b. Tan Tui
c. Pa Kua
d. Seventh Star Praying Mantis
e. Southern Style Praying Mantis
f. Angka / Arhats / Lohan
etc.....

2. Against non-kungfu martial arts that uses mostly NONE-STRAIGHT PUNCHES like (Boxing, Kick Boxing, Muay Thai, BJJ, Wrestling, etc.....)
a. Chi Dian Bun
b. Wing Chun
c. Ngo Cho Kun
d. Hsing-I Chuan
etc.......

sherwinc

whether Fake or Commercialize or Not-Commercialize - it really does matter cause it already lead to deterioration of kungfu.... thinking and saying that kungfu is crap within your evidences,..... cause a Non-Commercialize KungFu is taught to deligent students secretly, no six ears is permitted but only 4 ears is allowed - its only an instructor and a student......

i am just very lucky to learn Non-Commercialize KungFu privately.....

Examples of a Non-Commercialized KungFu School Located in Manila, Philippines:
1. Philippine E-NEE (Chi Dian Bun KungFu)
2. Beng Kiam Athletic Club (Ngo Cho Kun KungFu)
3. Armstrong / Chee Kiong ( Chi Dian Bun KungFu with Body Building)
4. Kong Han (Ngo Cho Kun KungFu)

Examples of a Commercialized KungFu School:
1. i dont know, maybe if i will insists to gather student and teach.... maybe i will make it in a Commercialized way cause i will not teach my art entirely, i am just as wise HAW HAW HAW...... money....

Examples of a Fake KungFu Schools and Fake KungFu Instructors located in Iloilo, Philippines:
1. Philippine Tiger KungFu
2. WingChun KungFu Located at the back of Molo City High School
3. Chinese KungFu Association located at the left side of Gaisano City Mall formerly in Uy Gungco St., Iloilo City
4. KungFu Instructor named Lim Dias Tian, he publish plenty of fake kungfu books and many buys it.....
5. KungFu Instructor located at GrangJa La Paz, Iloilo. Shaolin Style shit....
6. Another KungFu instructor from Bacolod City
7. KungFu School located at the Iloilo Harbour Port where many rich Chinese students practices

Note:
Fake KungFu Schools/Instructors wearing black belts, using Samurai Swords, Karate form of kata's, they are all bullshit......their founder is a Filipino and a Black belter too...... bullshit..... useless, a great deterioration to kungfu.....

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Fake KungFu's and Commercialized KungFu's are useless in Sparring, if they are useless in sparring they are also bullshit.....

Note:
you can never make a Fake KungFu School at the Heart of Manila City, or else, a challenge letter wrap in stone thrown in your glass window.....

Note:
do you remember what happened to Bruce Lee Jun Fan club when he challenged by the KungFu's in America??????

Note:
you can never find Fake KungFu school at the heart of Manila but you can find a Commercialized KungFu School there, but if you are a student at the Non-Commercialized KungFu School there in manila then you are a very very lucky.....I learn None-Commercialized KungFu here in Iloilo, City privately

Toudiyama[NL]

People, be aware, the only mentioning of Chi Dian Bun Kungfu on the web are all from Sherwinc

do a search for it and you will find his post here and him signing a wing chun webrings guestbook and commenting that about his perfect style

btw one of the first forms of Ngo Cho Kun is Sam chien which is sanchin kata

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retired

I dont care what style of kungfu he does if its real or fake it's just the misconception he has of his skill as he doesnt mention any use of it.

I have never heard of anyone else on this forum who says their art is the ultimate art or that they can beat someone with 1 or 2 strikes without knowing the skill of the other opponent so im confident in saying that the guy is a fake & full of crap or just looking at the world through tinted glasses.

And if you ever delve into the fake kungfu's they always metion secret techniques and deadly stuff they cant practice on each other so what do we think.....sniff sniff whiff whiff

thaibxr

I thought this was a comparison of muay thai and san shou

sherwinc

I am looking if there's anyone here who know Chi Dian Bun KungFu since i thought that only 15 of us students who know it, but its true..... i never heard anyone who knows it..... the more the art not exposed to the public the more it is devastating.......

Wrong!!!!!!

Ngo Cho Kun FIRST set pattern is Sam Chien

while....

Karate's LAST kata is San Chin

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see how advanced is KungFu????? the last kata of Karate (SanChin) is the first kata of KungFu(SamChien)

Toudiyama[NL]

Now you just proved you are full of it, sanchin the last kata from Karate?
Man are you really that stupid, it is the baseform fo most nahate karatestyles
the center of their training just as in Ngo cho kun/Wu zu quan

I was in the assumtion that your knowledge was book-knowledge but it isn't even that, otherwise you wouldn't have made that remark

AS far as the other style being unknown and therefore devistating
I developed Wakikempo, never taught it to anyone, nobody knows it, so it is even more devistating than your style......yeah right

2000 years of asian MA and you still think your teacher managed to find hunderds of techniques no-one else does
Do you understand what is needed to do that? you would have to have knowledge of every MA around and then spend about 100 years developing the other techniques

All you tell us about your school makes it more a fake KFschool than any other, outragious claims, unwillingness to prove it, unknown styles only 15 students and being told utter lies about other styles/arts
Men you must be a religious person to believe your teacher without any doubt

BTW is there anywhere a webpage where I can find Alex Co's history, who he trained with and stuff like that? Is there a site that shows his validity?

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It was until sherwinc started talking bollox

Toudiyama[NL]

sorry my mistake I answered his bollox

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sherwinc

Chi Dian Bun's first form (kata) is Beng Hu Ha Shan (meaning "Wild Tigers Comes Down From the Mountain) and that only its first kata is the original from Chi Dian Bun......

then until many years, Chi Dian Bun Merged with Hik Style Tai Chi Chuan.....

Chi Dian Bun's second kata is Wei Hu Kun (meaning "Tiger Tail Boxing"), third kata is Diok Hap Kun, 4th kata is Hak Pit Sa Kun, 5th kata is Hao Kit Sa Kun.... (note: from 2nd up to 5th kata of ChiDianBun contains the elements of Hik Style Tai Chi Chuan)

then after the 5 kata's of Chi Dian Bun - you can proceed now to learn its 7 elements fists


Note:
i learn only its 1st kata and i did not learn its 2nd kata and up..... i learn only its 50+ hand attacks ( chi dian bun has 200+ hand attacks).....
since every single hand attack of chi dian bun there are 6-to-more applications each...... we are into MULTIPLICATION and not an ADDITION type of Western Boxing which has only 6 hand attacks and nothing more.....

Note:
i did not learn only Chi Dian Bun KungFu...... our instructor teach us also AngKa KungFu, Yang, Chua, Hik, Tan, Kiaw Styles of Tai Chi Chuan, Go Cho Kun (Kong Han Style), Seventh Star Praying Mantis KungFu's........ and my favorite - the Hik Style Tai Chi Sword (there are only two kata's of Chinese Sword by i learn only 1st Kata of Hik Style Tai Chi Sword)

Note:
to increase my knowledge in KungFu.... i reasearch and learn the WingChun KungFu and NgoChoKun KungFu (Beng Kiam Style) .....

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All solid KungFu's....... fitted to any practitioners potentials.....