The Ultimate in Martial Arts

seany85 · 10-20-2003, 05:27 PM

i was woundering what are the advantages and disadvantages of muay thai. As i was thinking about starting it, while i still continue to do JKD...

so if anyone has useful information, or if u know any good websites with information.. it would be much appriciated

thanx

S.Anucha · 10-20-2003, 05:57 PM

dude, the advantages of Muay Thai are....

....the training is very good for cardio vascular fitness and strength in abdominal and leg muscles, you learn RESPECT!!! if not then your teacher is crap or taking you for a ride. Its soaked in traditions if you get past the professional competitive form, as one or two of us here have argued before. Training in Muay Thai will improve your confidence by instilling a sense of indestructablness, toughness (which in my opinion must be proven in the ring) because of the nature of the training, I dont mean that Thai sparring is done heavy as often times it is not, infact most of the time fighters prefer to spar lightly, 50% or so.

The fact that you are physically pushing and pulling, kneeing and kicking during a pad workout, always being physically pushed to your limit by the trainer and spending some time, 20 minutes or so, each day working on your clinch technique prepares you for the intensity of a real fight, Muay Thai sparring is done carefully to prevent injuries as injuries can occur easily if you get too excited, sparring is taking a technique you have learned during a pad session and then after refining that technique on a heavy leather bag you then go into the ring to spar with a partner in order to learn how to apply that technique, some camps like to see how the heart of a new student is by pairing him off with someone and letting them go full power but only with the hands...

....many people have this notion that Thai sparring is done full power, it is not and dont think that because you do go full power you will learn anything other than not to go full power. I can almost garuantee that if you do enter into the world of Muay Thai you will probably ask yourself why you never entered sooner rather than later! Be sure to get a good trainer, a credible trainer. Also I personally recommend to learn the traditional side of Muay Thai, the origins of the sport, where it came from and dont try to get the info from the internet cos as I found out most ofthe sites are very misinforming.

this one is very good http://www.muaythai.com

The disadvantages :

could be a developing of shin cancer but the chances of that are sorta like the chances of getting any other cancer I suppose. You can get a bad back, bone calis, split eyebrows, scars, broken toes, broken legs! Muay Thai is only usefull so long as you are physically strong as Muay Thai depends on strength as well as technique and of course there is the risk of death by internal bleeding and broken sternum, but if you dont compete that risk is considerably lower....

so there ya go, all I can say is go join a Muay Thai gym.

seany85 · 10-21-2003, 10:48 PM

cheers mate, i'm definately going to give muay thai ago.
sounds like ya know ya stuff.

kh_s · 10-21-2003, 10:59 PM

that post kinda pumped me up, somehow..

falcon3624 · 10-22-2003, 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by S.Anucha
The disadvantages :

could be a developing of shin cancer but the chances of that are sorta like the chances of getting any other cancer I suppose. You can get a bad back, bone calis, split eyebrows, scars, broken toes, broken legs! Muay Thai is only usefull so long as you are physically strong as Muay Thai depends on strength as well as technique and of course there is the risk of death by internal bleeding and broken sternum, but if you dont compete that risk is considerably lower....

Hell yea!!!

seany85 · 10-24-2003, 05:20 PM

just had my first session in muay thai, and i see what you mean about the shins. mines sore

but it made a change and fresh point of view from JKD

definately going again next week

cheers once again S.Anucha

kh_s · 10-24-2003, 05:26 PM

Can you pleeeeaaaseee tell me what u did in class today ? Not the drills and techniques, I aint too worried about that, just the conditioning you guys did, such as "How long did you skip rope for" and squats ?

seany85 · 10-24-2003, 08:17 PM

(to me it was a typical warm up)
jogging around the gym,
then dropping the left hand to the floor,
then the right,
then both together, while still jogging....... then jumping up in the air with the kness coming up to the chest, followed by ten push ups, continue jogging,
another twenty push ups,
increasing the speed on the jogging,
running with the knees up to the chest,
then something called dorsal raises(new one to me)ten of those, the running again, ten more dorsal raises,
after that twenty sit ups two more laps,
finishing with ten hindu squats.....

after that there was streching exercises, but i dont know the names of them,

the whole thing took about 30 minutes

thats as best as i can remeber it...

i hope that helps

S.Anucha · 10-26-2003, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by seany85
cheers mate, i'm definately going to give muay thai ago.
sounds like ya know ya stuff.

I would say I know the basics and hope to learn more.

erm, well I love Muay Thai and anything Thai! well exclude the corruption and a few other uglies that inhabit Thailand, but as a nation and culture Thailand is great, personally speaking that is. Muay Thai is part of their culture as is Muay Chao/Muay Boran/Krabi-Krabong, all of which I would like to learn about as I myself am only learning and really only a beginner in comparisons with some of the more knowledgable.... but never the less it is genuine interest that fuels my desire to learn Muay Thai and Thai traditions, its hard though as at the moment I am not in Thailand, its hard to motivate myself to study a S.E.Asian system for fighting (the way I would like to learn it) and their language when i myself am not in asia.

I believe that in order for myself to learn and really understand Muay Thai also to learn how to read and write Thai language while getting to know the Thai people in general I need to live there, I need to live the professional Muay Thai life and need to become "Thai" for a period of my life, I have lived there but only for a brief period, not long enough to really gain a deeper understanding of Muay Thai, its origins, Thai language and Thai people... next time, I will leave thailand, if I leave that is, knowing exactly why I chose Muay Thai as a form of fitness and defense.

I been to a few Asian countries but i love Thailand.

if you have questions I would recommend asking Nitro as he lives there at the moment and really knows his shit.

MuayThaiFighter · 11-10-2003, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by S.Anucha
dude, the advantages of Muay Thai are....

....the training is very good for cardio vascular fitness and strength in abdominal and leg muscles, you learn RESPECT!!! if not then your teacher is crap or taking you for a ride. Its soaked in traditions if you get past the professional competitive form, as one or two of us here have argued before. Training in Muay Thai will improve your confidence by instilling a sense of indestructablness, toughness (which in my opinion must be proven in the ring) because of the nature of the training, I dont mean that Thai sparring is done heavy as often times it is not, infact most of the time fighters prefer to spar lightly, 50% or so.

The fact that you are physically pushing and pulling, kneeing and kicking during a pad workout, always being physically pushed to your limit by the trainer and spending some time, 20 minutes or so, each day working on your clinch technique prepares you for the intensity of a real fight, Muay Thai sparring is done carefully to prevent injuries as injuries can occur easily if you get too excited, sparring is taking a technique you have learned during a pad session and then after refining that technique on a heavy leather bag you then go into the ring to spar with a partner in order to learn how to apply that technique, some camps like to see how the heart of a new student is by pairing him off with someone and letting them go full power but only with the hands...

....many people have this notion that Thai sparring is done full power, it is not and dont think that because you do go full power you will learn anything other than not to go full power. I can almost garuantee that if you do enter into the world of Muay Thai you will probably ask yourself why you never entered sooner rather than later! Be sure to get a good trainer, a credible trainer. Also I personally recommend to learn the traditional side of Muay Thai, the origins of the sport, where it came from and dont try to get the info from the internet cos as I found out most ofthe sites are very misinforming.

this one is very good http://www.muaythai.com

The disadvantages :

could be a developing of shin cancer but the chances of that are sorta like the chances of getting any other cancer I suppose. You can get a bad back, bone calis, split eyebrows, scars, broken toes, broken legs! Muay Thai is only usefull so long as you are physically strong as Muay Thai depends on strength as well as technique and of course there is the risk of death by internal bleeding and broken sternum, but if you dont compete that risk is considerably lower....

so there ya go, all I can say is go join a Muay Thai gym.

"I dont mean that Thai sparring is done heavy as often times it is not, infact most of the time fighters prefer to spar lightly, 50% or so."

B.S. It is the opposite fighters in Muay Thai always like to go in fast and HARD.

I don't know one Muay Thai fighter that likes to spar lightly including myself.

"some camps like to see how the heart of a new student is by pairing him off with someone and letting them go full power but only with the hands... "

First of all depending on how new the student is if a student has only been there a few days or weeks he cannot compete but will continue to learn like everyone else but at a slower speed.

Second those who do compete don't go full power with only the hands.Fighters always go hard with all strikes whether shin kicks,knees or punches and in countries where the elbow is allowed it is done full contact too just as done in Thailand.These are the reasons why very few Thai fighters make it past their 30's for competeing and many get hurt.

"...many people have this notion that Thai sparring is done full power, it is not "

Do me a favour and please know what the hell you are talking about before describing Muay Thai to others.

"What makes you think Muay Thai sparring is not done full contact? I got news for you bud you are wrong.Muay Thai is known to use full power for a reason."

In Muay Thai we do go full power and go right through with our punches.Unlike most arts we don't pull back or snap our kicks and punches we go right through with our techniques.

The goal of a Muay Thai fighter is to end a fight as fast as possible with powerfull strikes and often to go for knockout.

Muay Thai fighters like to destroy an opponent they find hard to beat by causing pain to their opponents thighs,shins and knees in order to take person off balance and to put an end to their opponent fighting back for this reason we win 9 out of 10 fights.

"Muay Thai is only usefull so long as you are physically strong as Muay Thai depends on strength as well as technique"

This simply is not so.

It is true that Muay Thai depends on technique however strength has little to do with it although it does help.One cannot help to notice that compared to many other martial arts Muay Thai fighters often appear to be very thin or skinny so obviously rely on power.

We rely alot on speed and power. Like other arts we believe with speed comes power .

Muay Thai is all about technique,speed, and hitting hard but with full power not strength. No doubt does strength help of course.

I agree with every thing else you say about Muay Thai though.

Damian Mavis · 11-10-2003, 11:47 PM

MTF, do you think you'll ever be able to go to Thailand and train at a camp? I think you would love it and learn alot.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

MuayThaiFighter · 11-10-2003, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by seany85
i was woundering what are the advantages and disadvantages of muay thai. As i was thinking about starting it, while i still continue to do JKD...

so if anyone has useful information, or if u know any good websites with information.. it would be much appriciated

thanx

Advantages of Muay Thai:

We learn to use fists,knees,shins,elbows,stand up grappling and the clinche for self-defense.

In Muay Thai you become a better fighter in less time then any other art.It doesn't take years of training for techniques to be effecticve.

Full contact gives us the chance to experience what it will be like in a real situation by giving and recieving full force blows.

Doesn't beat around the bush with B.S katas.

Best art to mix with some grappling.

Disadvantages of Muay Thai:

Easier to get hurt in and better chance of getting arthritis then any other art.

Doesn't teach grappling or weapons defense.

Lacks in fighting multiple attackers.

Many arts claim to teach self-defense against multiple attackers and do this through teaching katas.In reality nothing can prepare anyone from any art for multiple attacks.

MuayThaiFighter · 11-11-2003, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Damian Mavis
MTF, do you think you'll ever be able to go to Thailand and train at a camp? I think you would love it and learn alot.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

Don't know if I'll ever be able to travel there but I definitely would like to.

To be honest I would like to be able to live and train in Thailand for a year.

What makes you ask?

"I think you would love it and learn alot."

Are you trying to imply that I am wrong about Muay Thai and don't know anything about the art I train in ?

Damian Mavis · 11-11-2003, 12:49 AM

No, but I learned a hell of a lot more in a short time there than I do here in North america, you would too. If you have the time then a year training and fighting there would be great but even if all you can get is a month or 2 it's totally worth it, it's very cheap to live there so if you ever get the chance follow that dream then do it. You'll love it.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

OctaviousBP · 11-11-2003, 09:56 AM

MTF,

I see you're from BC. Where or with whom do you train with there?

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10-20-2003, 05:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
S.Anucha Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: That shit hole Posts: 207 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	dude, the advantages of Muay Thai are.... ....the training is very good for cardio vascular fitness and strength in abdominal and leg muscles, you learn RESPECT!!! if not then your teacher is crap or taking you for a ride. Its soaked in traditions if you get past the professional competitive form, as one or two of us here have argued before. Training in Muay Thai will improve your confidence by instilling a sense of indestructablness, toughness (which in my opinion must be proven in the ring) because of the nature of the training, I dont mean that Thai sparring is done heavy as often times it is not, infact most of the time fighters prefer to spar lightly, 50% or so. The fact that you are physically pushing and pulling, kneeing and kicking during a pad workout, always being physically pushed to your limit by the trainer and spending some time, 20 minutes or so, each day working on your clinch technique prepares you for the intensity of a real fight, Muay Thai sparring is done carefully to prevent injuries as injuries can occur easily if you get too excited, sparring is taking a technique you have learned during a pad session and then after refining that technique on a heavy leather bag you then go into the ring to spar with a partner in order to learn how to apply that technique, some camps like to see how the heart of a new student is by pairing him off with someone and letting them go full power but only with the hands... ....many people have this notion that Thai sparring is done full power, it is not and dont think that because you do go full power you will learn anything other than not to go full power. I can almost garuantee that if you do enter into the world of Muay Thai you will probably ask yourself why you never entered sooner rather than later! Be sure to get a good trainer, a credible trainer. Also I personally recommend to learn the traditional side of Muay Thai, the origins of the sport, where it came from and dont try to get the info from the internet cos as I found out most ofthe sites are very misinforming. this one is very good http://www.muaythai.com The disadvantages : could be a developing of shin cancer but the chances of that are sorta like the chances of getting any other cancer I suppose. You can get a bad back, bone calis, split eyebrows, scars, broken toes, broken legs! Muay Thai is only usefull so long as you are physically strong as Muay Thai depends on strength as well as technique and of course there is the risk of death by internal bleeding and broken sternum, but if you dont compete that risk is considerably lower.... so there ya go, all I can say is go join a Muay Thai gym.

10-21-2003, 10:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
seany85 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 272 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	cheers mate, i'm definately going to give muay thai ago. sounds like ya know ya stuff.

10-21-2003, 10:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
kh_s Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 408 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	that post kinda pumped me up, somehow..

10-24-2003, 05:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
seany85 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 272 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	just had my first session in muay thai, and i see what you mean about the shins. mines sore but it made a change and fresh point of view from JKD definately going again next week cheers once again S.Anucha

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kh_s Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 408 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Can you pleeeeaaaseee tell me what u did in class today ? Not the drills and techniques, I aint too worried about that, just the conditioning you guys did, such as "How long did you skip rope for" and squats ?

10-24-2003, 08:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
seany85 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 272 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	(to me it was a typical warm up) jogging around the gym, then dropping the left hand to the floor, then the right, then both together, while still jogging....... then jumping up in the air with the kness coming up to the chest, followed by ten push ups, continue jogging, another twenty push ups, increasing the speed on the jogging, running with the knees up to the chest, then something called dorsal raises(new one to me)ten of those, the running again, ten more dorsal raises, after that twenty sit ups two more laps, finishing with ten hindu squats..... after that there was streching exercises, but i dont know the names of them, the whole thing took about 30 minutes thats as best as i can remeber it... i hope that helps

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Damian Mavis Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 669 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	MTF, do you think you'll ever be able to go to Thailand and train at a camp? I think you would love it and learn alot. Damian Mavis Honour TKD

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Damian Mavis Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 669 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	No, but I learned a hell of a lot more in a short time there than I do here in North america, you would too. If you have the time then a year training and fighting there would be great but even if all you can get is a month or 2 it's totally worth it, it's very cheap to live there so if you ever get the chance follow that dream then do it. You'll love it. Damian Mavis Honour TKD

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OctaviousBP Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ottawa, ON Posts: 271 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	MTF, I see you're from BC. Where or with whom do you train with there?

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