Hooking Heel/Dragon whips tail

Uchiha_Anbu · 11-01-2003, 08:32 AM

I "learned" the lead hooking heel, rear hooking heal, spin hooking heel from watching Bruce Lee's movies (as well as reading a few books by his subordinates). I would like to know which style this technique originated from because im preaty sure im not doing it correct. Dont get me wrong I generate a quick whip cracking effect from it that creates a popping snap(ala baggy pants). I've studied TKD for four years and San-Jitsu-Ryu( a judo composite style with many maiming & breaking techniques, along with more striking that normal judo) for one and a half years. Let me explain how I execute my self taught kick so some nice person can critique me(please). I set up the kick like a TKD style spin side kick. With the exeption that I pull my heel back towards my leg when i extend it, creating the whiping effect. I can fire this kick at all levels and train it on the kicking bag often. I would apreciate a link or a good description of how this move should be executed properly. Also I recently made a variation on the move adding a extra 180 degree turn. In a strong leg forward stance, I do a kinda mock rear roundhouse for momentum, then I set that foot down in lead. Following this and building momentum by bringing my hips around I fire the thing off. Kinda like the way Jet Lee was doing his spin side-kicks in the Fists of Fury remake movie.

Damian Mavis · 11-01-2003, 11:36 AM

Sounds like you're doing the 180 spinning hook and the 360 spinning hook. I'll try to describe TKD's spinning hook kick:

Moving into a sidestand you put all your weight onto your lead leg and whip your butt and hips backwards into your target. You chamber the knee up to your chest with your leg completely bent, then release the kick to full extension when your spin has turned you 180 degrees and strike with the heel (target being the temple or anywere close to it) pulling through your target with your hip and leg and then rechamber your leg to keep control of your spin and lessen the time you are susceptible to counter attack.

I've seen Thai fighters do a straight leg version that has more power but is wider and easier to recognise. I personally like both.

Damian Mavis
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Tom Yum · 11-01-2003, 01:04 PM

I learned how to throw a hook kick and round kick in month 3 of hapkido. The first 2 months were spent on front, side and back kicks.

By the 6th month I was learning the spinning wheel kick and turning side kick delivered from the back leg.

Uchiha TKD is known for ultra fast, snapping kicks as is hapkido. To be in TKD for 4 years and never learned a spinning wheel kick means that you were in an ultimate Mc Dojo.

Damian Mavis · 11-01-2003, 03:20 PM

Ya it's a little strange not to have learned spinning hook kick in 4 years of TKD....

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Uchiha_Anbu · 11-01-2003, 11:33 PM

I guess the school I went to was a "McDojo". I was USTA style TKD under Bobby Chavers. I was a 1st degree Black when before I left.. Ha, well I guess I shoulda asked for a hot apple pie with my diploma. Anyways the spin side kick they taught me seems like the prerequiste for the spinning hooking heel. Ya well USTA TKD was preaty weak. They arent even in buisness anymore. You cant find anything about them online. At least not in my part of the country. Damian, thanks for the great description that really helped. I wassent generating half the power I have now, before. I was not whiping my hips back. The pushing out an pulling back of the foot was what I was working with. Anyways San Jitsu Ryu is great . Look into it. It was created by Frank Sanchez. Its a devestating form, to be sure. Im just to poor, to attend at this time. Anyways thanks for the info.

Lizard · 11-02-2003, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Damian Mavis

I've seen Thai fighters do a straight leg version that has more power but is wider and easier to recognise. I personally like both.

lol. I used to do TKD style spinning hook kicks. Then I learned to do an MT roundhouse and the next time I threw a spinning hook kick I used a straight leg without even thinking about it.

Ah... those were the days

Cain · 11-02-2003, 08:31 AM

well, tomaz barada is good at those.. won masters cup in sweden with one of those

Uchiha_Anbu · 11-04-2003, 05:02 AM

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lol. I used to do TKD style spinning hook kicks. Then I learned to do an MT roundhouse and the next time I threw a spinning hook kick I used a straight leg without even thinking about it.

Where can I find some info on the straight leg spin kick. I've never seen it done. If you dont have a link to somthing, would you mind explaining it to me? What part of the leg do you hit with. I cant imagine using the shins with an external edge spin kick. Unless you do some sort of inverted round kick or somthing.

Damian Mavis · 11-04-2003, 10:46 AM

I don't know if there are any differences between what I know of the straight leg spin kick and the official Muay thai way since no one has taught it to me in Muay Thai but I'll tell you the way I do it.

Putting all your weight on your lead leg you whip you hips and butt backwards towards your target with your back leg fully straight and sideways (meaning toes to the side, heel prominently rushing towards your target). You come around with your leg on a wide arc and hit your target from the side. You try to connect with the heel and you can aim for the temple, ribs or thigh but I've never actually seen it used on the ribs effectively. I've seen knockouts and their opponents leg being disabled with it.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

Turing · 11-11-2003, 08:10 AM

If I'm not mistaken Kazushi Sakuraba used it fairly effectively to the ribs on a few occasions.

11-01-2003, 08:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
Uchiha_Anbu Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 65	Spinning hooking heel/Dragon whips tail I "learned" the lead hooking heel, rear hooking heal, spin hooking heel from watching Bruce Lee's movies (as well as reading a few books by his subordinates). I would like to know which style this technique originated from because im preaty sure im not doing it correct. Dont get me wrong I generate a quick whip cracking effect from it that creates a popping snap(ala baggy pants). I've studied TKD for four years and San-Jitsu-Ryu( a judo composite style with many maiming & breaking techniques, along with more striking that normal judo) for one and a half years. Let me explain how I execute my self taught kick so some nice person can critique me(please). I set up the kick like a TKD style spin side kick. With the exeption that I pull my heel back towards my leg when i extend it, creating the whiping effect. I can fire this kick at all levels and train it on the kicking bag often. I would apreciate a link or a good description of how this move should be executed properly. Also I recently made a variation on the move adding a extra 180 degree turn. In a strong leg forward stance, I do a kinda mock rear roundhouse for momentum, then I set that foot down in lead. Following this and building momentum by bringing my hips around I fire the thing off. Kinda like the way Jet Lee was doing his spin side-kicks in the Fists of Fury remake movie.

11-02-2003, 08:31 AM	#7 (permalink)
Cain Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 388	well, tomaz barada is good at those.. won masters cup in sweden with one of those __________________ any given fighter can beat any given fighter on any given day.. so.. what are you waiting for Rickson, I'm here..

11-11-2003, 08:10 AM	#10 (permalink)
Turing Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 102	Ribs If I'm not mistaken Kazushi Sakuraba used it fairly effectively to the ribs on a few occasions.

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11-01-2003, 11:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
Damian Mavis Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 669	Sounds like you're doing the 180 spinning hook and the 360 spinning hook. I'll try to describe TKD's spinning hook kick: Moving into a sidestand you put all your weight onto your lead leg and whip your butt and hips backwards into your target. You chamber the knee up to your chest with your leg completely bent, then release the kick to full extension when your spin has turned you 180 degrees and strike with the heel (target being the temple or anywere close to it) pulling through your target with your hip and leg and then rechamber your leg to keep control of your spin and lessen the time you are susceptible to counter attack. I've seen Thai fighters do a straight leg version that has more power but is wider and easier to recognise. I personally like both. Damian Mavis Honour TKD

11-01-2003, 01:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,218	I learned how to throw a hook kick and round kick in month 3 of hapkido. The first 2 months were spent on front, side and back kicks. By the 6th month I was learning the spinning wheel kick and turning side kick delivered from the back leg. Uchiha TKD is known for ultra fast, snapping kicks as is hapkido. To be in TKD for 4 years and never learned a spinning wheel kick means that you were in an ultimate Mc Dojo.

11-01-2003, 03:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
Damian Mavis Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 669	Ya it's a little strange not to have learned spinning hook kick in 4 years of TKD.... Damian Mavis Honour TKD

11-01-2003, 11:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
Uchiha_Anbu Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 65	I guess the school I went to was a "McDojo". I was USTA style TKD under Bobby Chavers. I was a 1st degree Black when before I left.. Ha, well I guess I shoulda asked for a hot apple pie with my diploma. Anyways the spin side kick they taught me seems like the prerequiste for the spinning hooking heel. Ya well USTA TKD was preaty weak. They arent even in buisness anymore. You cant find anything about them online. At least not in my part of the country. Damian, thanks for the great description that really helped. I wassent generating half the power I have now, before. I was not whiping my hips back. The pushing out an pulling back of the foot was what I was working with. Anyways San Jitsu Ryu is great . Look into it. It was created by Frank Sanchez. Its a devestating form, to be sure. Im just to poor, to attend at this time. Anyways thanks for the info.

11-04-2003, 10:46 AM	#9 (permalink)
Damian Mavis Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 669	I don't know if there are any differences between what I know of the straight leg spin kick and the official Muay thai way since no one has taught it to me in Muay Thai but I'll tell you the way I do it. Putting all your weight on your lead leg you whip you hips and butt backwards towards your target with your back leg fully straight and sideways (meaning toes to the side, heel prominently rushing towards your target). You come around with your leg on a wide arc and hit your target from the side. You try to connect with the heel and you can aim for the temple, ribs or thigh but I've never actually seen it used on the ribs effectively. I've seen knockouts and their opponents leg being disabled with it. Damian Mavis Honour TKD

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