The Ultimate in Martial Arts

**Garland** · 12-10-2007, 02:13 AM

I'd say
#1- a brain (situational awareness, conflict resolution skills)
#2- good reflexes to external stimuli; the ability to flip on "intent" quick.
#3- a visable gun, which acts like a deterrent to shit starting.
#4- a good knife, like the Spyderco P'kal, which is now my personal favorite, which'll probably be more economical and efficient at the range we're talking about.

Unfortunately, most people lack either one or two...which make 3 and 4 less effective.

DickHardman · 12-10-2007, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Garland

I'd say
#1- a brain (situational awareness, conflict resolution skills)
#2- good reflexes to external stimuli; the ability to flip on "intent" quick.
#3- a visable gun, which acts like a deterrent to shit starting.
#4- a good knife, like the Spyderco P'kal, which is now my personal favorite, which'll probably be more economical and efficient at the range we're talking about.

Unfortunately, most people lack either one or two...which make 3 and 4 less effective.

what about the dodo i posted? its like a mini civilian!

**Garland** · 12-11-2007, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DickHardman

what about the dodo i posted? its like a mini civilian!

...I hate the dodo's locking mechanism a little bit more. Those fucking ball things are worse than the goddamned wheel lock things...which suck my nuts.

**Michael Wright** · 12-11-2007, 05:52 AM

lightsaber

DickHardman · 12-11-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Garland

...I hate the dodo's locking mechanism a little bit more. Those fucking ball things are worse than the goddamned wheel lock things...which suck my nuts.

they have an advantage, as they allow the blade to be flicked out fast, easily, and smoothly.

DickHardman · 12-11-2007, 10:53 PM

i picked up one of these today.......looks like it would absolutely great for "destructions"....

a small, simple, affordable pocket knife like this could really go a long way in a bad situation. some people dont like to carry pocket knives because they fear the reactions of some of the people they may carry it around, like workers etc....but i say always carry a decent blade. we must take care of ourselves.

i read a story not too long ago on bladeforums were some guy saved his dog from getting killed by a pit by using a similar blade to slice open the dogs back, cause it to run away. who knows what can happen.

DickHardman · 12-11-2007, 11:14 PM

the civilian is bigger. if you use the knife for utility purposes period, you will void the warranty.....

DickHardman · 12-11-2007, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

A knife that cannot be used for utility purposes without voiding the warranty? That's pure garbage. You mean to tell me that they cannot guarantee their product under the rigors of opening boxes and cutting packaging string, but they still expect me to trust my life to it against an angry assailant?

Spyderco sucks bull testicles. Big fat bald ones. With sores.

the civilian is not meant to be used for anything other than self defense. it was created for DEA agents.

the reason you cannot use it for utilitu purpouses is because the tip of the civilian is very thin, and very easy to break. the knife was designed to be delivered as one big ripping slash by dea agents who were not able to carry guns undercover. the slash across the opponents body is likely to bend or break the civilains tip it it hits bones.

from spyderco website

"In the 1990s Spyderco was approached by a specialized branch of U.S. law enforcement about making a knife for their undercover agents. These plain-clothes LEOs found themselves in situations where they often could not carry a firearm but carrying a knife was not a problem. Most had no formal training in self-defense tactics or MBC but as a last resort could use a blade to protect or extricate themselves from a life-threatening situation. This was how the Civilian model came to be.

The Civilian has a patented reverse "S" blade that's intended to be used like an oversized claw. The tip is ground to an ultra-thin profile. Deeply curved and full at the belly, the VG-10 hollow-ground blade excels in slicing and is available fully SpyderEdged. Because of its distinctly specialized features it is not intended or designed for general utility or everyday use. "

the shorter one that i have, the harpy can be used for utility and sd as its smaller, but the tip is solid.

and btw, spyderco is awesome. Sal, the guy who created spydero posts on bladeforums all the time. he is quite a standup guy, and really interacts and listens to his customers.

DickHardman · 12-11-2007, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

I just think there are too many good designs out there that won't break if you use them like a knife.

yeah, thats why i got the harpy, smaller but stronger, cheaper.

**Garland** · 12-12-2007, 01:42 AM

I've always wanted a harpy or a civillian...they have always been attractive looking knives to me.

they have their...perks, you can't create this type of slash injury without that nice inward curve

YouTube - Spyderco Civilian cutting

Still, I agree with Mike, there are better knife designs that can be used for utility and self defense...

such as this gorgeous little bastard->

YouTube - Spyderco Civilian cutting

YouTube Video

**Garland** · 12-12-2007, 01:53 AM

here...this may get you to the p'kal links better...I guess I'm not allowed to embed them or something.

http://youtube.com/user/ShivWorks

This is another one of my favorite designs;

http://www.themartialist.com/0703/gunting.htm

DickHardman · 12-12-2007, 02:05 AM

those spyderco guntings are pretty rare now.

why dont you just order yourself a harpy from the internet or something. they dont cost that much and are great knives.

http://www.sportsauthority.com/produ...oductId=503767

DickHardman · 12-12-2007, 02:46 AM

dodo is a sleeper.....

DickHardman · 12-12-2007, 02:49 AM

DickHardman · 12-12-2007, 02:50 AM

12-10-2007, 02:13 AM	#46 (permalink)
Garland Premiere Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 5,275 Groans: 1 Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts	I'd say #1- a brain (situational awareness, conflict resolution skills) #2- good reflexes to external stimuli; the ability to flip on "intent" quick. #3- a visable gun, which acts like a deterrent to shit starting. #4- a good knife, like the Spyderco P'kal, which is now my personal favorite, which'll probably be more economical and efficient at the range we're talking about. Unfortunately, most people lack either one or two...which make 3 and 4 less effective. __________________ homo homini lupus

12-12-2007, 01:53 AM	#56 (permalink)
Garland Premiere Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 5,275 Groans: 1 Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts	here...this may get you to the p'kal links better...I guess I'm not allowed to embed them or something. http://youtube.com/user/ShivWorks This is another one of my favorite designs; http://www.themartialist.com/0703/gunting.htm __________________ homo homini lupus

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DickHardman Master Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,966 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	i picked up one of these today.......looks like it would absolutely great for "destructions".... a small, simple, affordable pocket knife like this could really go a long way in a bad situation. some people dont like to carry pocket knives because they fear the reactions of some of the people they may carry it around, like workers etc....but i say always carry a decent blade. we must take care of ourselves. i read a story not too long ago on bladeforums were some guy saved his dog from getting killed by a pit by using a similar blade to slice open the dogs back, cause it to run away. who knows what can happen.

12-11-2007, 11:14 PM	#52 (permalink)
DickHardman Master Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,966 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	the civilian is bigger. if you use the knife for utility purposes period, you will void the warranty.....

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DickHardman Master Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,966 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	those spyderco guntings are pretty rare now. why dont you just order yourself a harpy from the internet or something. they dont cost that much and are great knives. http://www.sportsauthority.com/produ...oductId=503767

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