self defence styles

**PlasmaShock** · 10-14-2006, 09:40 PM

when i finish my karate training, i will be looking for some realistic self defence styles to study. im sure this thread has been created but my computer is really slow right now. which style would be most effective in defending against today's attackers, dealing with adreneline stress, working in attacks that come automatically in a self defence situation. i dont want anyone bashing or flaming styles here. i just need some strong and reasonable opinions.

**UNBROKENFLOW** · 10-15-2006, 08:09 AM

I would cross train abit of wing chun kuk sool ju jitsu aikido and see what you like and how well you mix with karate some karate styles of karate work well on the streets what style have you done

**szorn** · 10-15-2006, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by PlasmaShock

when i finish my karate training, i will be looking for some realistic self defence styles to study. im sure this thread has been created but my computer is really slow right now. which style would be most effective in defending against today's attackers, dealing with adreneline stress, working in attacks that come automatically in a self defence situation. i dont want anyone bashing or flaming styles here. i just need some strong and reasonable opinions.

While I wouldn't consider realistic self-defense programs as "styles" there are quite a few programs I would recommend to include: FAST Defense, IMPACT, RAW Power, Model Mugging, etc. These programs address basic gross-motor skills, adrenal response issues, and self-defense against realistic attacks (from a padded assaialnt). They also address awareness/avoidance, escape, and de-escalation which are critial components for staying safe.

Steve Zorn, ICPS

**PlasmaShock** · 10-15-2006, 02:33 PM

thanks for the replies. i still need some more input though.

**jubaji** · 10-15-2006, 02:58 PM

Isn't it obvious? You need wrestling!

**PlasmaShock** · 10-15-2006, 06:30 PM

lol i think wrestling would be fun for wrestling with the guys.

**WildWest.** · 10-15-2006, 07:48 PM

Learn to be aggressive in a fight situation, learn to hit hard, learn to hit fast and learn to hit lots of times.

Although it might sound like I'm taking the piss, I'm pretty serious. Self defence is always going to be situation dependent, but if you have the above abilities you're much better off than someone who doesn't.

You should also learn to avoid fighting.

**Tant01** · 10-15-2006, 08:46 PM

We need to start thinking about being armed. (seriously)

**7r14ngL3Ch0k3** · 10-15-2006, 09:11 PM

I have to go with Muay Thai(as the main focus)crosstrained with grappling(standup grappling as the focus). Ofcoarse when its for self defense, you have to have a certain mindset and 'awarness' which you can develop on your own outside of intitial martial art training. Learning to use a small knife is also very very helpful too, once youve got good striking and grappling skills. Pulling out a Heater though is IMO the best self defence tool.

**WildWest.** · 10-15-2006, 09:16 PM

What's up with you guys constantly advocating carrying concealed weapons?? I don't judge your decisions, it's not my place to, but do you live in downtown Baghdad or something?? Surely you can get through life without a gun digging into your ribs??

I don't mean to sound critical, I just want someone to explain this reasoning to me.

**The_Judo_Jibboo** · 10-16-2006, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by WildWest.

What's up with you guys constantly advocating carrying concealed weapons?? I don't judge your decisions, it's not my place to, but do you live in downtown Baghdad or something?? Surely you can get through life without a gun digging into your ribs??

I don't mean to sound critical, I just want someone to explain this reasoning to me.

I think it's hard to deny the merits of a weapon if you consider the situations these guys are talking about. It's about preparing for something you hope never happens, namely a physical confrontation with an armed assailant who has no intent of reasoning with you. I think pretty much everyone who trains martial arts would say that at least some part of the reason they train is self-defense oriented. You train to gain an advantage over an attacker, but an untrained thug can delete alot of that advantage just by pulling out a knife.
Basically, it boils down to the fact that if you're training for the possibility of a self-defense situation but not taking into account the possibility of weapons, you have to ask yourself if you're half-assing it.

**PlasmaShock** · 10-16-2006, 11:33 AM

my first decision is to avoid fights at all cost. but if i have to, i will have to defend myself hopefully if i dont freeze up because of a.s.

**bigred389** · 10-16-2006, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by The_Judo_Jibboo

I think it's hard to deny the merits of a weapon if you consider the situations these guys are talking about. It's about preparing for something you hope never happens, namely a physical confrontation with an armed assailant who has no intent of reasoning with you. I think pretty much everyone who trains martial arts would say that at least some part of the reason they train is self-defense oriented. You train to gain an advantage over an attacker, but an untrained thug can delete alot of that advantage just by pulling out a knife.
Basically, it boils down to the fact that if you're training for the possibility of a self-defense situation but not taking into account the possibility of weapons, you have to ask yourself if you're half-assing it.

Yeah...I don't get some people's complete aversion to weapons.

There may be situations where you cannot survive without a weapon...be it a knife...or a gun.

These situations can occur even in "civilized" countries. Rare...but still possible. It's up to you to decide whether or not you'll take that risk...and most people will get through life without encountering life or death situations anyway.

**WildWest.** · 10-16-2006, 10:43 PM

I don't dispute the fact that you may need a weapon to defend yourself given the circumstances....I just don't see the point in intentionally carrying one around all the time. To me, it reeks of paranoia. Maybe it's just where I'm from, as in my country it's absolutely illegal to carry a concealed weapon. That is not to say that you will not be attacked by someone with a weapon obviously, but I guess the law mirrors the country.

Like I said earlier, I don't judge anybodys decisions, or their country, but I just believe if you need to carry concealed weapons as a means of self defence then you must look at where you live, who you hang with and what you get up to.

Just an opinion.

**Tant01** · 10-16-2006, 11:00 PM

As the 19th-century jurist James Paterson remarked in his Commentaries on the Liberty of the Subject and the Laws of England Relating to the Security of the Person:
"In all countries where personal freedom is valued, however much each individual may rely on legal redress, the right of each to carry arms - and these the best and the sharpest - for his own protection in case of extremity, is a right of nature indelible and irrepressible, and the more it is sought to be repressed the more it will recur."