corrections officer

MatthewAlphonso · 05-17-2006, 08:28 PM

hey guys, I am going to start being a corrections officer this summer. I was hoping some of you guys out there would be willing to give me some advice or perhaps some ideas of what ma's to take (Tired of hearing BJJ) I have a black belt in tkd (though the kicks don't seem to useful in an enclosed situation) and some Krav Maga experience (1.5 months Hurricane Katrina screwed it up.)

**Hardball** · 05-17-2006, 08:31 PM

Something with knife fighting and restraints and chokes. Something like Japanese Jujitsu.

lionleo · 05-17-2006, 11:29 PM

If your in the SW Houston Area..check us out..

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MatthewAlphonso · 05-17-2006, 11:49 PM

nah, I am in Slidell, the New Orleans area (We got pretty screwed by Katrina)

m_calingo · 05-17-2006, 11:51 PM

Sayoc Kali, or other FMA such as taught by Kelly Worden.

EmptyneSs · 05-18-2006, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewAlphonso

hey guys, I am going to start being a corrections officer this summer. I was hoping some of you guys out there would be willing to give me some advice or perhaps some ideas of what ma's to take (Tired of hearing BJJ) I have a black belt in tkd (though the kicks don't seem to useful in an enclosed situation) and some Krav Maga experience (1.5 months Hurricane Katrina screwed it up.)

being a corrections officer, i assume most of your encounters with inmates will require you to restrain them. so some kind of grappling art would be in your best interest. even though your tired of hearing about bjj, it will proboly be one of the better options for you. judo would be great too if you could find a dojo that isnt all sport oriented.

Cyclops · 05-18-2006, 05:08 AM

Hello, being a correctional officer myself, I can tell you that you will indeed need an art that can help even in confined spaces. I believe u may wanna look into one of the following:
1. Judo Becasue it has soem great takedowns by way of sweeps and throws as well as some good submissions and groundwork.
2. Hapkido has some good throws and locks as well and is pretty practical for defense or subduing someone as will be something valuable in the prison system.
3. BJJ For its obvious submissions and grappling.
4. Krav Maga or Haganah which is great in dealing with sudden and violent attacks.
This is not to say other systems won't work. I am just mentioning some things I have studied that I feel work well in the prison system.
Sorry to hear you had to stop taking Krav, it's a great art.

thescottishdude · 05-18-2006, 05:39 AM

I'm joining the police and I'm focusing my MAs on punching and kicking. why? because the trainign your given will be sufficent for the wrestling you'll be doing. and if the person doesn't let you do youe take downs as shown in trainign then they are resitiing arrest and you have to resort to punching/kicking anyway. but the takedowns have to be done text book anyway for legal reasons.

EmptyneSs · 05-18-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

Generally speaking, the prison system frowns upon guards shanking inmates...

It would be good to learn how defend against the more common knife attacks used by these guys, though.

I think that no matter how tired you are of hearing BJJ, it still makes good sense. You will have to do an awful lot of restraining, and BJJ is a terriffic system for teaching that. It would also do you some real good to look into some of Vunak's close-range stuff. The way he handles people in the clinch is, in my opinion, about the most street-practical method going, and since he is a clinch specialist, he can tell you how to deal with the inevitable close-quarters encounters you'll have. Dumog is also a great art for guard work. I used to apply it all the time when working in security. It teaches you how to move bodies from very common escort positions. Vunak is another great source for that.

can you describe some of pauls clinch work strategies and techniques?

Strepto · 05-18-2006, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thescottishdude

I'm joining the police and I'm focusing my MAs on punching and kicking. why? because the trainign your given will be sufficent for the wrestling you'll be doing. and if the person doesn't let you do youe take downs as shown in trainign then they are resitiing arrest and you have to resort to punching/kicking anyway. but the takedowns have to be done text book anyway for legal reasons.

What kind of police officer start kicking and punching suspects!! C'mon man, that's non-sense. Officers got retractable baton, pepper spray, etc... They don't go kicking people around!

And as for BJJ as a correctional officer... well... I'd choose something else! Most BJJ schools don't train against armed attackers, against multiple attackers and stuff like that. Try going to the ground and ''triangle chock'' and inmate and see how it goes! Chances are you're a dead man unless you have backup pretty close.

My suggestions:

Systema and Hapkido. Hell, even Ninjutsu before BJJ!! But really, Systema is all you need.

MatthewAlphonso · 05-18-2006, 04:52 PM

I have been interested in systema for a long time, I just really haven't found any schools in the New Orleans area. the Filipino arts interest me because of the stick work though.

m_calingo · 05-18-2006, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewAlphonso

I have been interested in systema for a long time, I just really haven't found any schools in the New Orleans area. the Filipino arts interest me because of the stick work though.

Yeah, I'm not suggesting that you shank any cons, either, but training in FMA can't hurt as it does cover a lot of angles that a knife can come at you.

If you carry a baton, the stick work in FMA, IMO, is the best.

MatthewAlphonso · 05-18-2006, 07:06 PM

we have a choice which stick we're carry, but we are issued a manadnock extendable baton. I was contemplating carrying the classic tonfa style, the extra arms seems god for trapping and I could get excellent force swinging it around.

EmptyneSs · 05-18-2006, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewAlphonso

we have a choice which stick we're carry, but we are issued a manadnock extendable baton. I was contemplating carrying the classic tonfa style, the extra arms seems god for trapping and I could get excellent force swinging it around.

you know, i think your going about this all wrong. you need to be thinking more about how much money your going to be making selling drugs to inmates in prison and which gangs your going to extort or work for, and the rapes that you and your fellow officers are going to set up to punish pedophiles and convicted rapists. these should be your primary concerns inmop. corrections aint no amusement park. i had a pe teacher who used to work in corrections for many years, and he would tell us some horror stories

medic06 · 05-18-2006, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by EmptyneSs

being a corrections officer, i assume most of your encounters with inmates will require you to restrain them. so some kind of grappling art would be in your best interest. even though your tired of hearing about bjj, it will proboly be one of the better options for you. judo would be great too if you could find a dojo that isnt all sport oriented.

The only legitimate BJJ school in Louisiana that I've heard of is somewhere in Metarie. Alot of fakes out there right now. . . .

05-17-2006, 08:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
MatthewAlphonso Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 177 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	corrections officer hey guys, I am going to start being a corrections officer this summer. I was hoping some of you guys out there would be willing to give me some advice or perhaps some ideas of what ma's to take (Tired of hearing BJJ) I have a black belt in tkd (though the kicks don't seem to useful in an enclosed situation) and some Krav Maga experience (1.5 months Hurricane Katrina screwed it up.) __________________ That which doesn't kill me had better be able to run damned fast. ~Anon~

05-17-2006, 08:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,404 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	Something with knife fighting and restraints and chokes. Something like Japanese Jujitsu. __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Mike Brewers 2008 Sit up challenge 50,000/100,000 running balance.(Crunches) Kicks 6,300/100,000

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MatthewAlphonso Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 177 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	nah, I am in Slidell, the New Orleans area (We got pretty screwed by Katrina) __________________ That which doesn't kill me had better be able to run damned fast. ~Anon~

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thescottishdude Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 84 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm joining the police and I'm focusing my MAs on punching and kicking. why? because the trainign your given will be sufficent for the wrestling you'll be doing. and if the person doesn't let you do youe take downs as shown in trainign then they are resitiing arrest and you have to resort to punching/kicking anyway. but the takedowns have to be done text book anyway for legal reasons. __________________ Learn Martial Arts Online - Locate People USA / UK - Bestman Speech

05-18-2006, 04:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
MatthewAlphonso Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 177 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have been interested in systema for a long time, I just really haven't found any schools in the New Orleans area. the Filipino arts interest me because of the stick work though. __________________ That which doesn't kill me had better be able to run damned fast. ~Anon~

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lionleo Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Sugarland Posts: 201 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	If your in the SW Houston Area..check us out.. http://deltacombatconcepts.tripod.com

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m_calingo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 107 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sayoc Kali, or other FMA such as taught by Kelly Worden.

05-18-2006, 05:08 AM	#7 (permalink)
Cyclops Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Pa Posts: 46 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello, being a correctional officer myself, I can tell you that you will indeed need an art that can help even in confined spaces. I believe u may wanna look into one of the following: 1. Judo Becasue it has soem great takedowns by way of sweeps and throws as well as some good submissions and groundwork. 2. Hapkido has some good throws and locks as well and is pretty practical for defense or subduing someone as will be something valuable in the prison system. 3. BJJ For its obvious submissions and grappling. 4. Krav Maga or Haganah which is great in dealing with sudden and violent attacks. This is not to say other systems won't work. I am just mentioning some things I have studied that I feel work well in the prison system. Sorry to hear you had to stop taking Krav, it's a great art.

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MatthewAlphonso Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 177 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	we have a choice which stick we're carry, but we are issued a manadnock extendable baton. I was contemplating carrying the classic tonfa style, the extra arms seems god for trapping and I could get excellent force swinging it around. __________________ That which doesn't kill me had better be able to run damned fast. ~Anon~

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