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^ Great post.

DickHardman

thanks, i appreciate it.

Uke

First off, why are you being hostile? We've talked about this before just recently. I'm not trying to prove a thing. Every post isn't meant to argue or prove something, so tone down the hostility and we'll remain civil.

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Tom Yum

No.

Conan never faced a striker on the same level as Mo Smith, who also developed a strong base in grappling defense from Shamrock.

Once the better strikers developed a base in grappling, they made grapplers play their game.

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7r14ngL3Ch0k3

Hahaha i wasnt being hostile. Funny how you just totally took that the wrong way. I just highlighted it in bold so you'd make sure to answer it.

Carry on........

jubaji

I've never said that. Of course you have a proven track record of blatantly lying and fabricating so that's nothing new for you, ignorant punk.

Another lie, you pathetic sack of crap.


Gee, ya don't say! Grapplers know what grappling is far better than you (of course).



Oh, I know. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST.


That's just striking. Go return the T-shirt and get your money back.


I've never put a triangle choke on someone on the street, but if conditions developed such that you found yourself in such a position, YOU would just shit yourself and cry. Don't kid yourself 'Jackson.'


Who would be more likely to "lay on the street"? Helpless little fish like you who are poorly equipped to prevent that condition. Again you kid yourself.

LOL! Too funny. Lectures on the 'reality' of grappling in a 'street' situation from someone who has never done so. All of the problems of being on the ground are YOURS because you lack the ability to control that aspect of things.



Once again, YOU are more likely to be the one lying on his back. And I can't think of anyone more deserving...


Correct.

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Uke

Thanks for the response, Tom. But when you write grappling defense, wouldn't that be the same as anti-grappling? Isn't it just semantics? Isn't anti-grappling or grappling defense a striker's method of preventing being taken to the ground and if by some chance he is using what he's got to get back up?

Its not limited to just strikes. It can be other grappling methods, but what distinguishes anti-grappling methods from regular grappling is that its goal is to get back to your feet while newaza grappling's goal is to keep you on the ground. No BJJ player struggles to get back up on his feet. Most MMA wrestlers want to keep you on the ground as well and ground and pound, because most throws don't work on the heavily padded floor of the mat or ring. Did you see Kevin Randleman suplex Fedor? I thought for sure that belly to back would have ended the match, but just like I've been saying, MMA negates a lot of the reality with its rules, ring and padding. Fedor got up immediately and won the match.

I digress. The point is that grapplers in MMA are really ground grapplers. They have no desire to get back to their feet and the aim of their techniques reflect that. Anti-grappling is nothing more than the skill set that prevents and deters takedown attempts and sweeps. But some idiots need to feel like their saying something by likening what I'm discussing to Emin Boztepe.

Helps Bunny feel important.

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BoarSpear

Nicely summed up, again.

jubaji

There ya go, champ.

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jubaji

is that one exists and the other does not, one teaches the skills that gives someone real options in that range and the other gives a free T-shirt and an entirely false sense of security.

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Tom Yum

When you mention anti-grappling in the MA world, people liken it to Boztepe's anti-grappling methods because they are heavily marketed by that name and now has some brand-name recognition in both the TMA and MMA world.

Most people would call it what it is: takedown defense.

Likewise, if you say quarter pounder in context to food, most people will think of a hamburger. If you say we're going to have hamburgers, that does not mean one is going to get quarter pounders.

Anti-grappling is a subset of takedown defenses, particular to and marketed by Boztepe's WT system and not judo, wrestling or shuajiao systems.

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DickHardman

if a girl scout was to come to ukes house, im pretty sure she would probobly be able to sell him every box of cookies she had.

jubaji

and kick his ass.

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Uke

Actually, its not just takedown defense. I just above explained that if in the event you find yourself on the ground, the anti-grappling skill set is not limited to grappling and you can use whatever you've got to get up.

The focus here is to get up on your feet and be mobile and ready. I understand that Boztepe has created his own set of anti-grappling skills, but anti-grappling existed before Boztepe and after. It does have very strong ties to Shuai Chiao as they're knowledge of stand-up grappling is far superior to BJJ and wrestling. Boarspear mentioned that Baqua had excellent anti-grappling and one of China's greatest grapplers advocated it. You are basically obsessing over the trademarked name, not the concepts or the techniques. Continuously likening anti-grappling to Wing Tsun's techniques doesn't hurt me, it just limits your own understanding of its history and development.

But that's par for the course on this forum.

Call it what you like, but what's important is that grappling is becoming less and less effective as people analyze and counter it. In just the mid-90's grapplers were dominant and strikers couldn't solve the guard. A year or two later What gave grappling its 15 minutes of fame was the Gracies, and the fact that strikers didn't know how to avoid takedowns and get out of the guard.

The 15 minutes is up. And that's why ground grapplers are reduced to preaching that:

Keep believing that.

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SamuraiGuy

Uke, your point about Quinton Jackson and Ricardo Arona is a little off....

For whatever reason I want to clarify this.

While Ricardo Arona is a better grappler than ANYONE on this forum, underhooking the leg isnt something you have to be on his level to know. That is all he had to do to prevent Rampage from molesting him. It's really... really not complicated at all... so this getting slammed by someone is easily avoidable... the question is if you remember to do it, which obviously Arona didnt.

Second, not everyone is Rampage, a man described by Matt Lindland as having "Insanely powerful hips" now lindland being a olympic silver medalist in wrestling and rampage not having wrestled in highschool, you'd think Lindland would put quinton down with no problem, when they fought this wasnt the case.

The point is not everyones like, or even close to Rampage in terms of strength/hip strength/slamming ability. And you dont have to be a ADCC champ to underhook a leg.

I dont care about the rest of your argument, just wanted to point out this isnt a valid point.

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