Anti-Grappling - Page 2

jubaji · 07-04-2006, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pUke

I'm not going to debate with you about the existence of anti-grappling. .

That's good, because you are wrong.

BoarSpear · 07-04-2006, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Uke

The fact that you refer to anti grappling as a "shortcut" means that either you skimmed through the first post or your reading ability is impaired. There is no shortcut in anti-grappling. Anti-grappling is what it is: The range geared towards preventing ground grappling situations. No laying in your guard for minutes upon minutes waiting for your would-be attacker to make a mistake. No scooting for a better position to go for a submission hold. Anti-grappling goes right to the heart of the matter and let's you know that the ground is the most dangerous place you can be in a fight because you limit your tools and mobility.

Now with that said, I'm not going to debate with you about the existence of anti-grappling. If you say that it does not exist, then in your limited mind it does not have to. But for others who might not be as confined in their thoughts as you clearly are, there are resources for them to learn more. Simply go to google and type in "anti grappling". Its as simple as that.

I do agree with you that in order to be a proficient ground grappler you have to learn to grapple. There are no shortcuts. But this is not the sports forum and no one here wants to learn to lay on their backs while they get stabbed to death. I've said it before and I'll say it again: The value of BJJ is in learning how to reverse holds and escape chokes, and learning the fastest way to get back to your feet. Anti grappling is that philosophy put into practice.

Idiots who argue anti grappling doesnt exist are just that, The Iron Butterfly himself learned Baqua and integrated it into his wrestling because he said its Anti grappling techniques were so effective it was foolhardy to ignore them. hmmm judumbasses word it doesnt exist or one of China's top Wrestlers and Masters who says it does...who to believe?

jubaji · 07-04-2006, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pUke

But this is not the sports forum and no one here wants to learn to lay on their backs while they get stabbed to death. I've said it before and I'll say it again: The value of BJJ is in learning how to reverse holds and escape chokes, and learning the fastest way to get back to your feet. Anti grappling is that philosophy put into practice.

Idiot. Laying on your back does not equal the entire existence of grappling. Nor does BJJ. You are so ignorant of what you are trying to speak of that it is risible.

jubaji · 07-04-2006, 12:27 AM

The idea of labeling certain aspects of grappling something else for marketing purposes and worse, the idea that you can learn half a step to win a race is just damn stupid.

Uke · 07-04-2006, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jubaji

No, none of those "work" all by themselves like a magic talisman. I'd venture to guess that no matter how many times a loser like you tried to sprawl out against a real shot, you'd end up on your sorry ass every time. etc, etc, etc

You won't know that until you actually do some research or go out and try it for yourself. I seriously doubt you'll do either, as you've demonstrated in the past that learning isn't your forte.

You speak with such authority about what does and does not exist, and what will and won't work. Yet, you have yet to write why. Do you know why that is, jubaji? Its because you have no idea why. You've chosen a side and now you've nominated yourself as the wrastlin' commentary. Have you looked up anti-grappling yet, jubabji? Of course you haven't. It would make you looked even less informed and less trained than you already appear, if that's even possible.

You're advocacy of grappling on the street solidifies you position as the forum idiot. Let's hear your version of why going to the ground would help you out-wrestle multiple opponents. We missed your well informed post on that subject.

Better yet let me help to demonstrate your complete lack of knowledge concerning the martial arts:

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...anti+grappling

jubaji · 07-04-2006, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pUke

I seriously doubt you'll do either, as you've demonstrated in the past that learning isn't your forte.

Well let's see, you've mentioned 'google' about ten times in the last 3 posts so we know what the extent of your learning is

I'll bet you have the complete Wikipedia leather-bound on your reference shelf

jubaji · 07-04-2006, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Uke

You speak with such authority about what does and does not exist, and what will and won't work. Do you know why that is, jubaji?

..............................

Yes I do.

jubaji · 07-04-2006, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by pUke

Let's hear your version of why going to the ground would help you out-wrestle multiple opponents.

You misunderstand (there's a surprise

). You will find yourself there, and it will be even more likely with multiple opponents. You can rely on your awesome 'anti-grappling' to enable you to curl up in a ball and pray that they let you live. I hope you can get a refund on those 'anti-grapple' video tapes

Uke · 07-04-2006, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jubaji

The idea of labeling certain aspects of grappling something else for marketing purposes and worse, the idea that you can learn half a step to win a race is just damn stupid.

Who ever said that anti-grappling was simply more grappling? Another testament to you complete and utter lack of MA knowledge! I've been saying this for some time now ... just because you can post doesn't mean you know a thing, jubaji. You're the Larry Merchant of this forum. No insight or depth to what you write. Just flippant comments that usually make no sense.

EmptyneSs · 07-04-2006, 12:44 AM

isnt "anti grappling" some bs that emin boztep tried to get rich off when the bjj craze made him insecure because he didnt know any grappling himself despite training for years?

and its true, the the only real "anti grappling" is knowing how to grapple yourself.

bjj is indeed good for self defense. shit, there are so many people in martial arts who have trained for years and have high ranks, and still wouldnt know how to get some douche off who is sitting on their chest

im not a bjj or mma jockey, but knowing grappling is an important part of martial arts. ignoring an entire range of combat is unwise.

and using grappling for self defense doesnt mean fishing for takedowns on your aggressors, the way a moron like you thinks they would. grappling is used for sd when you find yourself reluctantly pinned to the ground, or when an aggressor is trying to physically overpower you.

what kind of martial artist are you if you cant get out of a basic headlock, or escape from some asshole sitting on top of you?

Uke · 07-04-2006, 12:45 AM

And by the way, I had to mention Google. I know that what was practically spelled out in my first post was wasted on you, so I suggested other sources so that you could go there and see that no matter where you look, the facts make you look like a foolish child.

Learn something before typing about things that you don't know about.

jubaji · 07-04-2006, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by EmptyneSs

isnt "anti grappling" some bs that emin boztep tried to get rich off when the bjj craze made him insecure because he didnt know any grappling himself despite training for years?.

Right.

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Originally Posted by EmptyneSs

the the only real "anti grappling" is knowing how to grapple yourself.

You would think this is so obvious as to be self-evident, but some folks prefer to hide their insecurity in fantasy.

EmptyneSs · 07-04-2006, 12:48 AM

and much to my surprise.....all the anti grappling sites on google were wing chun sites lol.....

jubaji · 07-04-2006, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pUke

And by the way, I had to mention Google.

You had to, because that is the beginning and the end of what you know about anything.

Garland · 07-04-2006, 12:50 AM

anti-grapple...isn't that something you can carry that's hard, shiny, and sharp???

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Uke Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NY Posts: 1,249	And by the way, I had to mention Google. I know that what was practically spelled out in my first post was wasted on you, so I suggested other sources so that you could go there and see that no matter where you look, the facts make you look like a foolish child. Learn something before typing about things that you don't know about. __________________ A solar panel 100 miles by 100 miles (161x161km) in the Mojave Desert (USA) could replace all the coal now burned to generate electricity in the entire U.S.

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07-04-2006, 12:44 AM	#25 (permalink)
EmptyneSs Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cali Posts: 2,120	isnt "anti grappling" some bs that emin boztep tried to get rich off when the bjj craze made him insecure because he didnt know any grappling himself despite training for years? and its true, the the only real "anti grappling" is knowing how to grapple yourself. bjj is indeed good for self defense. shit, there are so many people in martial arts who have trained for years and have high ranks, and still wouldnt know how to get some douche off who is sitting on their chest im not a bjj or mma jockey, but knowing grappling is an important part of martial arts. ignoring an entire range of combat is unwise. and using grappling for self defense doesnt mean fishing for takedowns on your aggressors, the way a moron like you thinks they would. grappling is used for sd when you find yourself reluctantly pinned to the ground, or when an aggressor is trying to physically overpower you. what kind of martial artist are you if you cant get out of a basic headlock, or escape from some asshole sitting on top of you?

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EmptyneSs Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cali Posts: 2,120	and much to my surprise.....all the anti grappling sites on google were wing chun sites lol.....

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