Uke

You can't possibly be that slow. I never said it was the best way. I said its what you and people like you would do in that situation.



Exactly. MMA matches are NOT real life. But here you are, stating that even though your MMA training is sport based, it has a "SD" aspect seperate.

So I guess you didn't notice that he completey disregarded what you wrote and went on to not only quote my post, but compliment and agree with it?

So far the only thing that you've demonstrated a knowledge of is how to comment with pure opinion and no fact. Even here in this reply you haven't given one example or an insight into so-called grappling defense. I thought you were going to show the forum your grappling knowledge. Again, like always you're becoming a waste of time and effort.

Empty, you seriously have a lack of reading comprehension skills. I'm sure you've seen the responses to the nonsense you write, but you choose to remain in denial. When the ignorant have nothing of merit left to say, they'll make it up as they go along.

Again, you've wasted my time, and any more spent on you would be charity i'm not willing to give. I thought this guy was actually going to say something worthwhile eventually. Oh well.

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Garland

hey look, it's EmptyneSs's girlfriend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmukS...search=orgazmo

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Uke

ROFLMAO

You can always count on Garland for a laugh.

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EmptyneSs

you still havent disproved anything ive said.

Garland

absence of evidence is NOT absence of evidence...muthafucka
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9R-E...arch=boondocks



Speaking of which; "proof" of Darwin's theory of evolution...so like us they are
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_JWp...earch=wildboyz

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hEmPY

garland jus lovez when hiz boyfriend takez da top

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBv1jYLaOsI

LOL

Uke

That's the same thing that the scientists who still believe the earth is flat are saying. Seems like your your training is still at the "pushing a square wheel uphill" stage.

Good luck with that.

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Garland

back at you bitch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnREJ...ch=beastiality
check out hempy's "puppy luv".

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Uke

I didn't want you to think anyone was avoiding your post, Shard.

To answer your questions, here's 10 quick reason why being on the ground is disadvantageous in a street situation:

When you're on the ground you cannot:

Run
Throw
Dodge
Be aware of what's around you
Get effective power in your strikes
Have a chance of fighting more than one assailant
Weapon disarms
Avoid a bout that can be stalled into lasting in excess of 20 minutes
Look for a weapon like a brick or bottle
Speed of hand which is the determining factor with weapons is nullified

You can do all of those things on your feet, but none of them on your back. But since you were pretending that multiple attackers don't exist or cannot be dealt with in you post, you may want to go ahead and keep pretending by ignoring number six.

You made some good points.

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hEmPY

garland again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QdjGxx9mW8

shake dat azz boy

LOL

EmptyneSs

you still havent said anything relivent. its best that you avoid making any actual rebutals, just makes you look dumber.

SnakePlissken

In a situation where you are fighting for your life, you're going to have a lot less control of someone, because you'll be stimulated on adrenaline, which makes your muscles loose. Plus, there's the chance they'll be bigger, stonger, meaner or more drug-fucked then you. Then what? You can't expect to be able to controll someone's every movement when they are resisting with all their strength, fighting back, swinging punches and kicks into your face and gut, that's foolish. Fighting is a series of events with a near infinite number of variables, you can't possibly go into a fight saying "Yeah, I'll get him into a quick arm bar on his opening punch, throw him down onto that broken bottle, and finish up by tying him up on the ground and smashing his face into that nice fire-hydrant, yup, that'll just about do me" If you expect something as random and unpredictable as a fight to turn out exactly the way you want, then you're grossly misinformed and you're likely to end up eating a pavement sandwich one day.

The thing is, people do this. You can't make the argument that everyone knows better, or that everyone knows the difference between whats doable in the ring and what doesn't work in the street. They truly think that the ground is the best place to fight. The unfortunate thing is that they don't realise what a bad mistake going to the ground intentionally is, and they're spreading this philosophy of going to ground to people who don't know any better. It's just not a viable combat option. If you're taken there, fine, great, do some damage and get the hell back up, because concrete doesn't quite feel the same as a soft mat when your face is being ground to mincemeat on it.


Oh, I never said that these things weren't an issue when standing, only that they're less of a concern. If you are proficient with a multiple attacker oriented MA, such as Penjat Silat, you'll be able to handle more then one person fairly effectively from the standing position, and as Uke said, you'll have options, improvised weapons, hidden weapons, running, etc.

On the ground, you have none of this. I'm not saying that all practicioners of ground arts act like it's the be-all, end-all of fighting, but it seems like most people get a false idea of it's effectiveness in a more violent, less controlled situation.

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J-Luck

Not even close to being true. Being on your BACK in a fight is a bad idea, but knowing how to control the other guy while staying on top is a GREAT idea. Bjj has good and bad ideology just like any other art.

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J-Luck

The problem is everyone should be well rounded... so striking vs grappling is fairly narrow minded.

But to correct your previous statements... The greatest defense is usually a good offense. I would not hold someone on the ground and wait for them to tire, I would smash them to the ground(which 9 times out of ten is enough to stop the situation completly) and while they are obviously hurt and damaged, apply a quick and sudden hold and break their bone,rip their ligament, or otherwise create a limp limb.

Also, a good choke will take you out in seconds, good luck stabbing someone when the blood is rushing to your head and you biggest worry is not passing out... I'll take the chance that he might be able to stab me in order to make him pass out in seconds... that is, if I've already been stupid enough to allow him the option of keeping the weapon by the time we got that far.

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kingoftheforest

I want to make sure I understand this right. You are saying that grappling is such a good art that you can disarm a knife wielding opponent with only grappling skills, and maybe on an off chance be cut superficially?

I'm serious that's how I read that please correct me J-Luck I really want to make sure I didn't misinterpret that.

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