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08-10-2006, 05:01 AM
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knife drills
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBHLrpn07G4 (he he he he...watch this first)
post knife drills, knife work...all stuff geared for real blade incidents... I'll start with this one, probably the most true-to-life scenario drills I've seen...almost everytime the knifer "wins". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY_6nQT89vQ *note-these are not in order of how effective I thinkthey are, but I have seperated the good, from the so-so, from the oh-sweet-jesus-no!. Good knife drills more of that brittish RBSD group doing pressure knife drills http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWQfgwuOAxo I think a stick would help, break a limb coming in, or defang the snake...blades slice and amputate, I've heard some groups in the phillippines prefer sticks to blades to splinter and break bones... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX2qjvEpnbU Silat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2DtCUfCyfk Filograna K. v K. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibYLrCSDq5k Lameco (remember; "disarms are incidental if not coincidental"...) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPjhuJOoURU PT knife tapping http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITKMoyI9T8Q Draws are important http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7uQz8nNe5Q I LIKE THIS ONE...it's krotty, but they make the guy RUN around to avoid getting slashed...good idea. Too bad this guy can't run very well...back to hurdle and side sprinting agility drills for his ass! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIDRAS_6uWc ECQ, southnarc, shivworks shit...! yes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E36_VQ2jeW4 Barry Cuda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM8BWzDJhl8 More Silat (Bela Diri) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDGSJJ3rG6k Silat mumbai (notice the best arts are good because...they're the guys with the knives) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDDV0SWSGu4 DOG BROTHERS-I like this one the most http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5FvDHq_ZlQ (guess a moral is, it's always better to be the knifer...from a practical, not ethical stance, right?) Sayoc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94iXkVUue8A drills for Sayoc transitions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-rahwdPXec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUirGNfR79A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A8qnlAdJ3g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbTO7XjXChM More good FMA stuff (Greg Alland.  )http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kGC6ai8vXU Atienza Kali http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCfLBn2Ih20 PEKITI TIRSIA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqdC-OJTm9M Damag FMA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4sk-Gmiguk Karambit stuff from Emerson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4VfNs-0xw "Visayan" stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjQIRgZHIjk Dur stuff and theory knives cut http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MkqnIrABW4 knives are fast? no? really? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a00TPkq6CBE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tHf_pvv4zo Tueller's Rule http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BThOSPk6NXk Inventive (with an assault) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRuEhzJj23w Iffy stuff... RBSD drills for stick-ups http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxJflGdLkw0 I don't fucking believe it, non static, seemingly mediocre (not complete shit) aikido http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_IvuOfiZq4 Jendo (an obscure...fma...I like it alot less than the others) knife v. knife drills http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEM-dFzYjbo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUhtF1GT9-s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYoibgriRHQ shitty music can't be helped...at least there's some humility here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj6_tHdmbhM Bad knife drills Systema bullshit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h3VXYPwrtg omg...is this guy fuckin' serious...? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2KxIYa95qE Krotty Bullshit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mw47V_HFQE Shit RBSD bullshit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG4_iBNHcg8 kempo...this is just sad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxlpZjPGKIM hap-get-u-killed-do http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64s4KadOzyk This shit looks cool...but I don't think it would work, sorry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkxKUfdAeXw Scripted Aikido Hai-Ya shit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBXUEU7nVYk I don't know exactly what it is...but it SUCKS my nuts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3SQ-FXP5AU Krap Maga (pass the blade, then let go to punch? NO! DON'T DO IT!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aTkXqU_HNk TKD'oh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p30noDtnCB4 Kempo-jutsu? **** this shit double http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH8mGzK88Ow Combat sambo...good until the knife work, and then...{------} http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wPxnF-V-ZQ Bunjikunts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWvd4NwIZlY Kempoo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TBa3q1u8Yg Knife assaults http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95QZ5...elated&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iRoLIEesHA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7KpL-iiskE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJgSyf-Fgr4 Somebody pulls a knife in a "mutual combat" fight, and gets jumped...good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMCoPoQL6ZA and just cuz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSyUoNmOqlw MUMBLY PEG! YAY! I hate children too...but this is going to far! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S8cNrIR5ac MORE BULLSHIT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuOwoveJV50 the flats of the glass don't cut...sorry pal...that's how you walk across it. The knife won't stick anyway dropped like that...I'd like to see if that guy would let me have a go, and give the knife a little help. Feel free to post your own...or comment on how I'm an asshole for ragging on TMA's, Krav Maga and Russian martial arts.
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08-10-2006, 12:18 PM
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I just think its funny how those british guys went from unarmed self defense with agains the knife. Which was pretty realistic I would imagine, running at the guy stabbing, and they got murdered in every situation.
Then when the guy has the stick, it looks more like a boxing match, mma fight, or even full contact stick fight. They start to try to "duel" with the guy, instead of running in, taking one shot with the stick, and gutting the guy. Just an interesting observation.
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08-10-2006, 12:39 PM
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But, yeah...any weapon on weapon thing is going to look like a duel, and probably isn't that realistic.
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08-10-2006, 04:11 PM
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Just doesnt make sense to me, I think its poor training, because while they would respect the stick, I dont know, seems like the rush forward stab stab stab would work best even against a stick.
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08-10-2006, 04:41 PM
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08-10-2006, 08:02 PM
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You can try to just cause enough muscle/tendon damage that he can no longer hold his weapon properly. Technically speaking, the best disarm(if it works) is to defang the snake by smacking the weapon arm. A stick increases the odds in your favor over empty hand. Also, if you can pass the knife and slam a stick thrust into the guy's eye, temple, or throat, that'll tone down his aggression quite a bit for some time. Not even close to impossible when you've got a weapon about three or four times as long. But most importantly, the guy with the stick should be trying to keep it at his range, which means he better have good footwork and enough room to move. In extreme close quarters, a knife in hammer grip is likely going to do nasty things to a person trying to fight with a stick. |
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08-11-2006, 08:46 AM
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If you have a longer range weapon against a knife, your only advantage IS that range. You have to keep the guy at range and break his hand. If he gets within your stick (or whatever) weapon range, your at a massive disadvantage, and in most cases your dead.
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08-11-2006, 11:11 AM
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Kind of what I'd imagine the damage kicking at a good sharp knife would produce.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOQzHvgn39E ...maybe not COMPLETE avulsion or amputation of the calf muscle...but close to it...as if punctures and slashes aren't bad enough, the force of a good kick met with a knife...ouchie.
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08-12-2006, 06:01 PM
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G'day guys, Clive Girdham is the name. I'm the one responsible for all those "Realistic Knife training" clips on YouTube. Thanks for the kind comments Garland, I'm glad you all enjoyed them. We like to keep it as real as possible and occaisionally we have injuries but nothing too bad. Just a clarification, we are actually an Australian group with a few Brits involved based in Sydney. We draw inspiration from Richard Dimitiris Senshido, Dog Brothers and Jim Grover
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08-12-2006, 06:57 PM
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08-13-2006, 06:06 PM
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I dont know seems to me run in and stab stab stab works.
If its so effective against an unarmed opponent... its effectiveness must still be great against someone armed with a stick. Think about it, its a longer range, and in most cases, more damaging weapon. However, if taking a punch to get to the stabby range, is okay, taking a shot from a stick would be too. So what if he knows his Kali angles etc, use your forearm as your "stick" and make a roofblock, sure it hurts your forearm, but you ramming the knife into his gut, and his weapon being completely out of range (no distance to strike as your inside his arms) is effectively useless. Good footwork, no one can back up, move in triangles, etc, and keep me at bay if I'm just willing to rush at them and take a shot, you move off to an angle ,and hit me, so what I'll turn to that angle and run forward, I'll catch you after 1 or 2, than your done. I'm just saying its funny hwo you see the thug techniques work in unarmed self defense.. but once another weapon is introduced.. oh shit... time to duel... When faced with a stick, do you thin kthe average knifer is going to go, okay ... remember your angles of attack, triangle footwork, defang the snake. Or will it be... CHARGE STABBITY RIP STAB STAB!... In my estimation the latter.
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And don't underestimate the blow from a stick to an unguarded head, or hand. Notice why the dogbrothers wear hand and head protection? Broken bones and shattered and torn joints, ligaments, tendons...ouch.
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08-13-2006, 10:53 PM
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Yeah...the damage a stick can apply compared to that of our average fist doesn't really compare in certain instances.
And even an "average" stick fighter, could resort to something like fencing...keep your distance by retreating while whacking away at the hand. Flesh and bone can only take so much, and sticks really mess up the small bones of the hand. Even better if you've got one of those nifty heavy police nightsticks. A buddy who's becoming a LEO let me play around with his once. Those things can eat a knife and will do some MASSIVE damage if they connect. They're far more dense than a regular kali stick. In that context, you should be thinking along the lines of aluminum baseball stick(or equally long length of PVC pipe, etc.) vs knife. If I was the knife guy, I would not want to eat a PVC pipe across the head. |
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08-15-2006, 12:13 AM
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More clips...
Okay http://www.veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e835934TxDRs3P gun...? maybe not. http://www.veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e66452qDzGSzNj http://www.veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e664603g9gNHxw
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