self defence poll - Page 3

Blue Wave Gym · 11-02-2006, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

Sorry about not responding on the other thread. I didn't mean to neglect you - I just can't think of anything intelligent to say about it. It was always my understanding that the reason we all got yelled and cussed at was to provide some stress to train under. I appreciated it. It meant that when bombs and bullets were going off near me later, I'd have some capacity to function under stress. Taking that away is, in my opinion, detrimental. But again, that's what happens when you let the people who aren't serving dictate policies to those who are.

As for the getting hit topic, I enjoy training, sparring, and I enjoy winning. I enjoy the fact that I can roll with shots and take the sting off of them. But I do not enjoy getting my head banged on. When it comes to fighting, I am a big believer in that old addage, "No pain...no pain!" I do understand what you mean about getting through a tough sparring match or a fight, but I think that has to do with the adrenaline and the feeling of accomplishment, not the getting hit.

Hopefully, you understand what I meant. You hear the macho egotists say "I love getting hit" all the time. What they usually mean by that is "I love being the biggest, toughest guy around, and I like letting you hit me a little so I can show that you can't hurt me right before I pound you into burrito meat." Ordinarily when you hear that kind of stuff, it's from people who either don't spar with folks who can beat them, or they have just always been the biggest. And I find that when you really work a guy like that over, he gets pretty upset about it. Suddenly, he doesn't like getting hit so much when he can't manage to get the upper hand. I didn't neccesarily mean it applied to you.

Not to worry mike how could I ever get mad a a nicw guy like you

And afterall it's not nice to hit a priest

I totally agree with like about 90% of what you say as pertains to ma.(I'm drinking the cool aide now/ founding a mike brewer fan club)
The vids I was looking for were vids of you fighting, I want to see what you're style is like, btw there's a video in extistance of me fighting a guy(kickboxing in 97) that my a**hole former trainer/promoter wouldn't even sell to me so if anybody has it I'll pay top dollar.

Jon_B · 12-23-2006, 10:41 AM

I picked other because the choices you threw out are all important.

- Dodging is a very important concept. Tae Kwon Do considers it to be an intermediate level skill. It teaches you to eventually become natural at counter attacking, which is an advanced skill.

Some Martial Arts (Capoeira for example) don't even have actual blocks. They expect you to block in case you end up making a mistake, but they teach you how to dodge, escape, resist, et cetera...

-If you can somehow avoid the fight, then you should. That is first and foremost.

-Blocking, Counter Attacking, and using submissions are important as well. You can't always expect to dodge your opponent (even if you're as quick as the late Bruce Lee). Blocks are very important when two people trade blows, because you can possibly counter attack, or if you block hard enough you can throw them off balance enough to escape the situation, finish them, or put them in a submission.

I have no experience with submission arts, but I will be taking jujutsu and Muay Thai later on. Striking is great, but to be a well-balanced fighter, you have to learn at least some submissions to either have dominance on the ground, or to fight your way back to a standing position. I've been tested on this, and it is one of my weak points. I'm really light on my feet...

You can hope that either your submission or a strong counter attack will subdue them enough so that you can walk away unscathed (or to give you time to finish them, which I don't recommend, but to each their own).

- I'm new to the boards and I do see a slight bias for those arts. Jujutsu and Muay Thai are great arts (I don't have to practice them to know that), but I think that doing only one of them is flawed.

If you do both you have striking, grappling, countering those two, clinching, and so many other fighting attributes that spring up. I just think it's a great mix. Then again, I think any kind of Cross Training of arts that emphasize different defenses is great. Kung Fu/Aikido, Ninjitsu/Judo, Muay Thai/Jujutsu, Tae Kwon Do/Silat, Jeet Kune Do/Arnis (Spelling?), whatever. I say mix it around, or at least be prepared for other styles.

Mike Brewer brought some better points than I did. You might want to check his post out.

WildWest. · 12-27-2006, 02:02 AM

Why is doing one art flawed?? I do 2, but what if I lived some place where only one art was available?? I could become very very good at it but would I still be flawed according to your logic??

I'm not trying to pick an argument I just want to be sure where you stand on this because I think any bit of training, as long as it's trained well, is good for you.

Jon_B · 12-27-2006, 02:58 PM

I am saying that in the sense of the average fighter.

There are many people that can take the one art that they train in, and make it a powerful weapon in the streets. Not everyone can do that, though.

A good percentage of people you will go against in the streets will know how to strike with their hands and grapple. They still might be sluggish, but I think having two or more arts on your belt will help you to be more unpredictable.

All I am saying is you should be prepared to fight against other disciplines. You don't have to take two arts to achieve that.

WildWest. · 12-27-2006, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon_B

A good percentage of people you will go against in the streets will know how to strike with their hands and grapple. They still might be sluggish, but I think having two or more arts on your belt will help you to be more unpredictable.

All I am saying is you should be prepared to fight against other disciplines. You don't have to take two arts to achieve that.

You explained what you meant regarding your other post, so thanks for that, but I find myself disagreeing with the above statement.

While I find it possible that you may fight someone on the street with some boxing or MT training for example, I doubt very much that they will be someone who is top of their game at it and certainly don't think you will find someone who is a skilled grappler.
Those people don't need to, and should be above, committing petty crime and violent assaults. Your average street fight, if you ever get in one, will be against someone who may genuinely want to knock your block off but will not be a skilled martial artist or sport combat fighter. Rather they will be unskilled street thugs who rely on sucker punches, ambushes and superior numbers to beat you up. They may have done some training in the past but I find, personal experience here, that they do not have the discipline to stick to the training and find it too hard for their weak, cowardly minds and bodies. Keep in mind they aren't any less dangerous than someone who knows martial arts, more dangerous in most cases, but to say that you must be prepared to fight other disciplines on the street is a little paranoid sounding to me.

Solid martial art training is supposed to help ensure that you don't use what you've been taught in a criminal manner. This isn't always going to happen, but it should help make you a better person.

Jon_B · 12-28-2006, 02:20 AM

I didn't mean other styles necessarily, but rather other ways of being attacked.

The majority people on the street that you might encounter are unskilled, but I hear "Do you know how many black belt asses I've kicked in my day?" all too much. The unskilled can get the upper hand, even if you as a skilled fighter have experience.

I think I shouldn't use the word discipline. I meant it more like being prepared for anything:
Martial arts, street fighting, a weapon, et cetera...

Unfortunately we are in a world where cheap tactics reign supreme.

WildWest. · 12-28-2006, 09:23 PM

Now you've made yourself clearer and I agree with you. Thanks for replying.

nordmann · 01-08-2007, 05:08 PM

I'm surprised to see how many people would apparently rather fight than avoid fighting. I've been accosted three times, and got out of each one with my wallet in my pocket and not a scratch on me. This is because I defend myself with my eyes, my ears, and my feet. As soon as I sense danger, I run like hell!

WildWest. · 01-10-2007, 09:23 PM

That is the best option if you can take it.

Garland · 01-10-2007, 10:29 PM

I'd say...for self defense...avoid smoking, trans fats, and excessive amounts of fat or sugar...watch your electrolytes, don't do drugs...no fast food, and exercise.

treelizard · 01-11-2007, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garland

I'd say...for self defense...avoid smoking, trans fats, and excessive amounts of fat or sugar...watch your electrolytes, don't do drugs...no fast food, and exercise.

Wow, Garland's turning into a nun!

I'd add CLO to the list, as well as adequate sleep and lots of high-quality agua.

treelizard · 01-11-2007, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nordmann

I'm surprised to see how many people would apparently rather fight than avoid fighting. I've been accosted three times, and got out of each one with my wallet in my pocket and not a scratch on me. This is because I defend myself with my eyes, my ears, and my feet. As soon as I sense danger, I run like hell!

Awesome.

The man who runs away, lives to fight another day.

treelizard · 01-11-2007, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon_B

The majority people on the street that you might encounter are unskilled, but I hear "Do you know how many black belt asses I've kicked in my day?" all too much. The unskilled can get the upper hand, even if you as a skilled fighter have experience.

This is a good article: http://www.tonyblauer.com/4105/06_03...ts_details.asp

WildWest. · 01-11-2007, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garland

I'd say...for self defense...avoid smoking, trans fats, and excessive amounts of fat or sugar...watch your electrolytes, don't do drugs...no fast food, and exercise.

Now this is even better self defence.

Jiu-fu fighter · 01-31-2007, 09:45 AM

I also believe strongly in taking as many different types of martial arts as you can,

- A striking art, if you are a good wrestler but have no striking experience, you could have little defense against a good striker

- A grappling art, you could be an awesome striker, but once the grappler closes the gap and takes you to the ground, your striking skills are almost useless.

- A weapon art, just comes in handy, gives you a strong advantage

View Poll Results: most important aspects of self defence
not getting hit(dont reach to block your opponent	8	12.90%
not fighting at all	33	53.23%
realying on blocks, counter attacks and complicated joint locks	4	6.45%
im cocky(or not) and i think mma, bjj, and mt are the best for self defence lol	5	8.06%
other	12	19.35%
Voters: 62. You may not vote on this poll

12-27-2006, 02:02 AM	#33 (permalink)
WildWest. Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NZ Posts: 459 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Why is doing one art flawed?? I do 2, but what if I lived some place where only one art was available?? I could become very very good at it but would I still be flawed according to your logic?? I'm not trying to pick an argument I just want to be sure where you stand on this because I think any bit of training, as long as it's trained well, is good for you. __________________ "Too much weights, not enough speed work"

12-28-2006, 09:23 PM	#37 (permalink)
WildWest. Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NZ Posts: 459 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Now you've made yourself clearer and I agree with you. Thanks for replying. __________________ "Too much weights, not enough speed work"

01-10-2007, 09:23 PM	#39 (permalink)
WildWest. Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NZ Posts: 459 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	That is the best option if you can take it. __________________ "Too much weights, not enough speed work"

01-10-2007, 10:29 PM	#40 (permalink)
Garland Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 5,013 Groans: 1 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'd say...for self defense...avoid smoking, trans fats, and excessive amounts of fat or sugar...watch your electrolytes, don't do drugs...no fast food, and exercise. __________________ homo homini lupus

12-23-2006, 10:41 AM	#32 (permalink)
Jon_B Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 31 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I picked other because the choices you threw out are all important. - Dodging is a very important concept. Tae Kwon Do considers it to be an intermediate level skill. It teaches you to eventually become natural at counter attacking, which is an advanced skill. Some Martial Arts (Capoeira for example) don't even have actual blocks. They expect you to block in case you end up making a mistake, but they teach you how to dodge, escape, resist, et cetera... -If you can somehow avoid the fight, then you should. That is first and foremost. -Blocking, Counter Attacking, and using submissions are important as well. You can't always expect to dodge your opponent (even if you're as quick as the late Bruce Lee). Blocks are very important when two people trade blows, because you can possibly counter attack, or if you block hard enough you can throw them off balance enough to escape the situation, finish them, or put them in a submission. I have no experience with submission arts, but I will be taking jujutsu and Muay Thai later on. Striking is great, but to be a well-balanced fighter, you have to learn at least some submissions to either have dominance on the ground, or to fight your way back to a standing position. I've been tested on this, and it is one of my weak points. I'm really light on my feet... You can hope that either your submission or a strong counter attack will subdue them enough so that you can walk away unscathed (or to give you time to finish them, which I don't recommend, but to each their own). - I'm new to the boards and I do see a slight bias for those arts. Jujutsu and Muay Thai are great arts (I don't have to practice them to know that), but I think that doing only one of them is flawed. If you do both you have striking, grappling, countering those two, clinching, and so many other fighting attributes that spring up. I just think it's a great mix. Then again, I think any kind of Cross Training of arts that emphasize different defenses is great. Kung Fu/Aikido, Ninjitsu/Judo, Muay Thai/Jujutsu, Tae Kwon Do/Silat, Jeet Kune Do/Arnis (Spelling?), whatever. I say mix it around, or at least be prepared for other styles. Mike Brewer brought some better points than I did. You might want to check his post out.

12-27-2006, 02:58 PM	#34 (permalink)
Jon_B Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 31 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am saying that in the sense of the average fighter. There are many people that can take the one art that they train in, and make it a powerful weapon in the streets. Not everyone can do that, though. A good percentage of people you will go against in the streets will know how to strike with their hands and grapple. They still might be sluggish, but I think having two or more arts on your belt will help you to be more unpredictable. All I am saying is you should be prepared to fight against other disciplines. You don't have to take two arts to achieve that.

12-28-2006, 02:20 AM	#36 (permalink)
Jon_B Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 31 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I didn't mean other styles necessarily, but rather other ways of being attacked. The majority people on the street that you might encounter are unskilled, but I hear "Do you know how many black belt asses I've kicked in my day?" all too much. The unskilled can get the upper hand, even if you as a skilled fighter have experience. I think I shouldn't use the word discipline. I meant it more like being prepared for anything: Martial arts, street fighting, a weapon, et cetera... Unfortunately we are in a world where cheap tactics reign supreme.

01-08-2007, 05:08 PM	#38 (permalink)
nordmann Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 21 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm surprised to see how many people would apparently rather fight than avoid fighting. I've been accosted three times, and got out of each one with my wallet in my pocket and not a scratch on me. This is because I defend myself with my eyes, my ears, and my feet. As soon as I sense danger, I run like hell!

01-31-2007, 09:45 AM	#45 (permalink)
Jiu-fu fighter Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 291 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I also believe strongly in taking as many different types of martial arts as you can, - A striking art, if you are a good wrestler but have no striking experience, you could have little defense against a good striker - A grappling art, you could be an awesome striker, but once the grappler closes the gap and takes you to the ground, your striking skills are almost useless. - A weapon art, just comes in handy, gives you a strong advantage __________________ My strength resolves in the mind, once I have made up my mind nothing is too far from me. "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands in times of trial and controversy" Martin Luther King Jr.

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