Uke

Hehe ... at least you started out admitting that you were working off you own ideas of what it meant. But as far as bullshitting jobs go, that was as articulate and eloquent as I ever seen. All the terms I expected were there though. Internal. Tai Chi. Qigong.

Gotta love ya, Mike

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BoarSpear

Well said.

IPON

Mike - Thank you for providing your definition. Regarding the the topic change, it is a change. Not to argue, but eventhough this forum is for urban combatives your example was of actual combat in war (which I am not sure I agree when you say "soft" are at a disadvantage). The original poster was only refirring to what (emtpy hand) style to take and made no mention of his intenion (SD, recreation sport) in truth this thread is probably in the wrong forum.

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BoarSpear

So you enjoy shooting little kids with your bb gun huh?

Sagacious Lu

Is qi gong even a martial art? Granted my experience is limited to a few seminars but my understanding is that it's a mediation; I've never heard of anyone trying to fight with it.

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It's not we went over that in my college tai chi class

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Jiu-fu fighter

Overall i just want to be a well rounded fighter, I do boxing but I don't get as much personal gain from that as when i do a more softer flowing style (my defintion more spiritual and also softer styles tend to deflect punches and not just stop them)

I guess I just hate it when people say that a good kung fu or wing chun guy stands no chance against a good boxer or muay thai man...etc...

styles such as kung fu, wing chun, aikido, jiu jitsu are what I think I would enjoy doing more in a martial art than the more aggressive arts, but so far I have heard that these are almost useless against harder arts...

ah well, its my choice

Tom Yum

Traditional arts like the one's you've mentioned can and do work in self-defense. I posted a thread called Traditional martial arts can work. There are youtube vids of guys using their traditional training in real life.

I'll try to keep it updated.

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fleetgunz

jujitsu is not aggressive???? the watered down mcdojo stuff maynot be but the historic jujitsu can be very aggresive i.e. hand to hand of the samuri the warrior class of japan..the jujitsu studied by Applegate Fairbairn Skyes ect. or the bjj type is not aggressive?? many of the traditional "martial arts" were not realy martial (martial implies military use) many of them were from peasant backgrounds. there aren't a lot of striking in the "martial" styles because the practioners wore armour and helmets. (a punch to the solar plexus on a guy wearing a breast plate is not effective.however low kicks, foot sweeps and trips are. locks and throws are effective at getting an enemy down. it doesnt matter if you are talking the martial forms of kung fu...
jujitsu or the western syles noted in the resurfacing flectbuchen. and as writen in mauluk and ottoman manuals (though very few are translated from arabic)

Yu Law

Wing Chun i snot a soft style. It is both hard and soft and I would say that it gears more toward the "Hard" genre than soft. I've seen wing chun work in MMA, while it was inadvertant by the fighter usign it, it still worked.

Oscar De la Hoya ate a pretty good punch from an inadvertant wing chun tech. as well, it was his fight after Hopkins i think.

knifehand

Aggression is paramount in an altercation so i would have to say stay away from the flashy stuff like wing chun.....street fighting is HARD and BRUTAL......i think the first thing to remember is that you wont be calm.....once adrenaline is introduced youll be stiff , shaky and running out of breath so be aggressive and do whatever it is your gonna do in the first 20 seconds and do it HARD........heres a great article you should read ....http://www.dojoweb.com/articles.asp?articleid=4932

when you train learn a few things that work well for you as an individual not a lot.....a lot will be too many to remember when the adrenaline hits.......know your targets before an altercation and train to DESTROY them ....eyes, throat, balls, knees.......when you train , train like your in a fight ....train stiff and shaky and out of breath .....train in your street clothes and leave the gi for the "artists" .....learn how to PROPERLY throw a punch and no im not talking about a reverse punch.....learn the very basics of boxing .....LIFT WEIGHTS , more fights in the history of mankind have been won by brute strength alone......read up on some ww2 combatives and also read the forums here.....lots of individuals names are mentioned here to which we all have been influenced by.........
also heres some more excellent reading......http://www.geoffthompson.com/detailArticles.asp?id=21
.........http://www.realfighting.com/1102/McCannART.html.........http://www.gutterfighting.org/
...and if there is one word that will sum who will win an altercation it is INTENT.....if someone intends to harm you then what will you intend to do?......ALWAYS BE AGGRESSIVE.....so go hard, you just might be fighting for your life ......and theres nothing soft about that.

Jiu-fu fighter

I really appreciate having looked at that article

thanks

medic06

Yes, your definition is a bit flawed. You seem to have internal/external mixed up with soft/hard.

Hard styles are typically more linear and focus more on destroying the opponents weapons. Soft styles are usually more circular and aim to redirect an opponents force to off balance and put the opponent out of position.

Internal styles focus more on the mental aspects (mind controls body)
External styles typically start with the physical and then move on to the mental.

WildWest.

Thanks for posting Knifehand.

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