BoarSpear

Yep the money was insured...but the lives he risked by chasing a Bank robber empty handed were not....all the lives weren't his to risk either...classic idiot endangering everyone around for a hero fantasy, nothing more, nothing less.

kingoftheforest

Didn't Alex Gong get shot chasing a guy who stole a car?

Super heroes are for comic books.

Yes if he grabbed a kid and ran chase his ass, otherwise it's just stuff.

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Uke

Exactly what I wrote on another topic, KOTF. Lee Murray, Alex Gong and Tito Ortiz are all used to being badasses in the ring. But when they bring that same sports mentality and bravado with them to the streets we all see what happens.

Lee Murray got stabbed. Alex Gong got shot and Tito Ortiz got beat to unconsciousness. All because they're so used to being effective fighting under the rules that they train under. People don't realize just how different the elements are once you hit the pavement.

Sport athletes are so adamant about telling people that there's no difference, but the approach alone got those 3 laid out. That should serve as a lesson. Its not all about kicking and punching. Its about common sense and knowing beforehand what's worth dying for and what's worth letting go.

In the case of Lee Murray and Tito Ortiz, they felt the need to have to uphold the "tough guy" image and got the business. Alex Gong forgot that thugs who carry weapons exist in the world and got shot over something insured.

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J-Luck

Problem with Uke's logic is he isn't naming all the times MMA guys have been SUCCESSFUL in real confrontations. (I've never heard of the Ortiz incident, do you have a link?) Remember Uke, as I've stated and you've agreed, being slammed into pavement isn't a good thing for the slamee... and who better to slam someone than an MMA/grappler?

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Uke

Actually, jujitsu which is the parent art of judo. While it jujitsu is grappling, a jujitsu practitioner isn't stupid enough to approach a throw the way a wrestler or a BJJ guy would.

Anyone who has any experience in any combat jujitsu understands that there is no effortless self defense, and therefore you have to earn every throw, lock or break you going to use. You have to first shock your opponent, then soften him up to prevent resistance, control his focus and keep him from reaching for a weapon. With wrestling or BJJ, you're going to immediately go to close the distance, and if that fails, you're going to brawl with sub-par CQ skills that you don't train in.

There's nothing flawed about that logic. Those three examples are perfect for illustrating that a sports mindset and bad ring habits will lead people including J-Luck to believe that they can use their sport training in settings where it'll get them killed.

Alex Gong chased a car while he was unarmed and got shot point blank. Stupid move that a lot of us might make unless we've had it drilled in our head that criminals are cowards that can't fight and therefore MUST carry weapons to equalize that fact. Wrestling and BJJ ain't teaching you that.

Tito threw a punch and rushed in and got pounded for thinking that you can rush into grappling with no consequences, Had it been a knife instead of fists, he would have been dead.

Lee Murray thinks he's a badass as it is. But he found out that fists vs the blade lands you bleeding all over the place looking to die.

None of those guys used awareness, common sense or respect for the fact that the street is not a ring. Anyone for any reason can jump in, use a weapon, or call attention to you situation.

Its sounds good to be able to thai/kick/western box or wrestle in the street, but unless you can end your conflict fast, its pointless. The entire point of combatives is learning how to use effective methods to quickly end a conflict. On your feet is the best place to utilize your tools to that end. Striking to control focus and break the balance. These are not my opinions. This is simple combatives 101, and those who argue against it just show that they haven't been educated in even the fundamentals.

The fact that top NHB and thaiboxers like Ortiz, Murray and Gong ran into situations where they didn't even consider weapons or several opponents shows that the sports mentality will program even the best MMA fighters to disregard even basic RBSD maxims and use the "MMA toughness" we've been reading about lately.

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BoarSpear

Amen Bro, and when MMA people do consider weapons they come up with dumbassed ideas from watching Hollywood movies that will get themselves and everyone around them killed.

This site is FULL of dumbassed MMA SD ideas just READ some of the suggestions, for dealing with weapons!!

It reads like a Forest Gump on Self Defense seminar, where did they get those ideas? From treating SD like its a game of uncle.

jubaji

More ignorant shit from the ignorant shit.

No matter how ridiculous pUke gets, he never seems to hit bottom, or tire of displaying his ignorance!

And everytime anyone who is an athlete gets the worst of it in any conflict its irrefutable proof, but everytime someone does use MMA-type (or anything outside of the pUke bible) successfully its just a feakish exception.

Funny how that works...


LOL! You're paying for someone's second home alright!


Nah, he would have no idea about the relationship between striking and grappling. I mean, why would he? Oh, wait a minute....



And if he had a bomb strapped to his ass they would both be dead! Pointless blather.


Pointless. You could make the same empty condemnations of any person who has ever gotten into a fight and wasn't armed. Which is an awful lot of people in an awful lot of situations. All of which serves only to make cowards who hide behind their shower curtains with 25 knives, a shotgun, and Pitt-bull, who have never cut, shot, or mauled anyone in 'SD' and use all of the above as an excuse for not training long and hard to gain real physical skills feel a false sense of superiority. But hey, as long as you hide at home all the time and pride yourself on carrying a bazooka to go out for the mail you can 'coulda, woulda, shoulda' all day long.

What a joke.



Does it sound good? I think it sounds like something you can't do and never will be able to do and that you are bitter and defensive about that fact in the extreme.


That sums up your fuckin' attitude in a nutshell.

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BoarSpear

AWWW I think bunny is upset because he knows his dumbassed suplex in a knife fight story is way at the top of moronic MMA fantasies that have been posted.

jubaji

Oh, you're not ignoring me now, theory-boy?


We'll see how long this lasts...

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kingoftheforest

Bunny boys used to just standing there while people slam him from behind.



















Hi sweety. Miss me.:smile:

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jubaji

Took you a couple of months to come up with that?


Or did Boring just forget and leave you in the basement with the gag ball in again?

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kingoftheforest

Slam me before I hit you in the head with a brick or a pipe. Not to mention some people....wait for it now......

carry

knives

and....OMG!!!!

KNOW HOW TO USE THEM and........

AREN'T AFRAID TO.

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jubaji

How 'bout you?

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kingoftheforest

Man your jealous daydreams are getting worse. Do you dream about him spanking you too. I bet you wanna slam him.

And for the record I am actually older than some childish jackholes on this forum and have two children one 4 months and one 5 years old.:fu: So I have been gone taking care of my family and working ,they're more important than this forum.

Love you baby.

BTW how bout you name me an expidient weapon that you can't get from a porn store.

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kingoftheforest

I loved to show you in person.

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