"Black Belt Hall of Famer Creates New Style"

**Hardball** · 04-27-2007, 10:58 AM

What do you think of this statement? What do you think of this concept? Why are so many people claiming to invent so many styles?

eXcessiveForce · 04-27-2007, 01:31 PM

it's really just marketing and differentiation.

Since using a style is almost always no tied to paying money to someone else to use the name, Now it's better just to have your own style and stop paying people for the privilege of using their style which you will almost invariably wish to change.

**Hardball** · 04-27-2007, 01:35 PM

This guy became a Grandmaster in the process. That is the real issue. The Rank.

eXcessiveForce · 04-27-2007, 01:48 PM

Rank means nothing.

Along the way ever single style had or has self proclaimed masters and grandmasters

eXcessiveForce · 04-27-2007, 01:49 PM

by the way was there supposed to be a link to a story or something? if so I don't see anything in the first post about him becoming a grand master

**Hardball** · 04-27-2007, 01:58 PM

You have to see june 07 black belt magazine pg. 24. I don't wanna mention any names here on the net but I will say the topic is the cane as a weapon.

**Hardball** · 04-27-2007, 01:59 PM

Isn't a grandmaster someone who has trained a lot of black belts or a lot of masters?

**Britt** · 04-27-2007, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardball

Why are so many people claiming to invent so many styles?

I think sometimes its a matter of politics. I invent "Britt's Asskicko" and teach it to you, you open a school and use some of my techniques and some of your own. I get in a huff because you're not teaching "Britt's Asskicko," so you say "fine, I just founded 'Hardball's North American Asskickfu.' " Then one of your students does the same thing to you.

**Hardball** · 04-27-2007, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Britt

I think sometimes its a matter of politics. I invent "Britt's Asskicko" and teach it to you, you open a school and use some of my techniques and some of your own. I get in a huff because you're not teaching "Britt's Asskicko," so you say "fine, I just founded 'Hardball's North American Asskickfu.' " Then one of your students does the same thing to you.

Sounds like the american "GhettoKan" association. LOL
You come to the ghetto with your traditional martial art and I kick your arse with my very very tried and tested "GhettoKan"

eXcessiveForce · 04-27-2007, 03:47 PM

It's a title, titles are meaningless. I'm some systems it does refer to someone who has trained lots of students, sometimes it's just the founder of the system

**Hardball** · 04-27-2007, 03:51 PM

Well some with the title are frauds cause they don't have the corresponding skills. Strong candidates for www.bullshido.net

**Hardball** · 04-27-2007, 04:23 PM

I didn't want to mention his name because I have a lot of respect for cane. I'm sorry that you had to mention his name. My question was directed at the title of "Grandmaster" I believe that title is becoming too loosely used.

bigred389 · 04-27-2007, 04:23 PM

Sometimes it's justified to "create a new style."

I mean let's face it...that is essentially what the Gracies did...they took bits and pieces, refined it through experience, then repackaged it.

But by bringing a focus to the ground game, they literally did create a specific "style" fighting.

I think if there's a real purpose behind the repackaging, it's justified.

Unfortunately, my first reaction when I see a headline like that is: Zzzzzzzzzzz

**Hardball** · 04-27-2007, 04:29 PM

That heading came from an article in this (June 07) months Black Belt Mag.

**shaolin-warrior** · 04-27-2007, 04:35 PM

Hardball, Deleted my post, sorry for trampling on your thread. It sincerely wasn't my intent. I hope no hard feelings. S.W.

04-27-2007, 10:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,284	"Black Belt Hall of Famer Creates New Style" What do you think of this statement? What do you think of this concept? Why are so many people claiming to invent so many styles? __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Mike Brewers 2008 Sit up challenge 40,000/100,000 running balance.(Crunches) Kicks 6,300/100,000

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eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,749	it's really just marketing and differentiation. Since using a style is almost always no tied to paying money to someone else to use the name, Now it's better just to have your own style and stop paying people for the privilege of using their style which you will almost invariably wish to change. __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.

04-27-2007, 01:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,284	This guy became a Grandmaster in the process. That is the real issue. The Rank. __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Mike Brewers 2008 Sit up challenge 40,000/100,000 running balance.(Crunches) Kicks 6,300/100,000

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eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,749	Rank means nothing. Along the way ever single style had or has self proclaimed masters and grandmasters __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.

04-27-2007, 01:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,749	by the way was there supposed to be a link to a story or something? if so I don't see anything in the first post about him becoming a grand master __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.

04-27-2007, 01:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,284	You have to see june 07 black belt magazine pg. 24. I don't wanna mention any names here on the net but I will say the topic is the cane as a weapon. __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Mike Brewers 2008 Sit up challenge 40,000/100,000 running balance.(Crunches) Kicks 6,300/100,000 Last edited by Hardball; 04-27-2007 at 04:43 PM.

04-27-2007, 01:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,284	Isn't a grandmaster someone who has trained a lot of black belts or a lot of masters? __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Mike Brewers 2008 Sit up challenge 40,000/100,000 running balance.(Crunches) Kicks 6,300/100,000

04-27-2007, 03:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,749	It's a title, titles are meaningless. I'm some systems it does refer to someone who has trained lots of students, sometimes it's just the founder of the system __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.

04-27-2007, 03:51 PM	#11 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,284	Well some with the title are frauds cause they don't have the corresponding skills. Strong candidates for www.bullshido.net __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Mike Brewers 2008 Sit up challenge 40,000/100,000 running balance.(Crunches) Kicks 6,300/100,000

04-27-2007, 04:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,284	I didn't want to mention his name because I have a lot of respect for cane. I'm sorry that you had to mention his name. My question was directed at the title of "Grandmaster" I believe that title is becoming too loosely used. __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Mike Brewers 2008 Sit up challenge 40,000/100,000 running balance.(Crunches) Kicks 6,300/100,000

04-27-2007, 04:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
bigred389 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 569	Sometimes it's justified to "create a new style." I mean let's face it...that is essentially what the Gracies did...they took bits and pieces, refined it through experience, then repackaged it. But by bringing a focus to the ground game, they literally did create a specific "style" fighting. I think if there's a real purpose behind the repackaging, it's justified. Unfortunately, my first reaction when I see a headline like that is: Zzzzzzzzzzz

04-27-2007, 04:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,284	That heading came from an article in this (June 07) months Black Belt Mag. __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Mike Brewers 2008 Sit up challenge 40,000/100,000 running balance.(Crunches) Kicks 6,300/100,000

04-27-2007, 04:35 PM	#15 (permalink)
shaolin-warrior Premiere Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 417	Hardball, Deleted my post, sorry for trampling on your thread. It sincerely wasn't my intent. I hope no hard feelings. S.W.

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