Mike Brewer

I want to post this because this is the middle ground that defines "real streetfighting" in most parts of the world. It's true that some fights can turn lethal. It's equally true that a far greater number are absurd in their lack of real violence. This is a compilation of the "more often than not" types of encounters you're likely to face.

In this clip, take note of the moron who breaks his own arm trying to use a manhole cover as a weapon:

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Okay, I'll admit it. This one's in here for the last fight alone.

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This one's been shown before, but it's not a bad example of staying mobile and hitting hard.

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Again, this one's been here before. Libby, please note that the universal truth of combat I spoke of in another thread applies in all instances.

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Speaks for itself...

Tant01

LMAO! That was good! I needed to see that!

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Mike Brewer

I've got to assume you're talking about the fight where big momma whups her crack-head upstart boyfriend? I thought that was easily one of the best real-world re-enactments of the fight between Della Reese and Eddie Murphy (Harlem Nights for those who haven't seen the movie) ever. She must have knocked that man down fifty times!

Tant01

That would be the one.

The cops driving by was classic too. LOL

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KirkhamsEbooks.

Jeez the guy knew the hole was there he picked up the cover lol. The boxer I'd seen before and I felt he had impressive moves under the stress of multiple attack

Mele Kahlikimaka

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bigboywasim

This fight makes me sick. The friends stay in the car and do nothing while a girl gets the crap beat out of her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN_dd...on+street+(War

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Mike Brewer

Agreed. Sickening for more reasons than one.

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Bunch of chicken!@#$ punks. Have to beat on a helpless person like that

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martialartspeon

Oh man That guy picking up the cover and falling in! That is hilarious! I would never have though such a thing would happen.

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warrior_artist

What thread of universal truth of combat? I'm interested in reading.

Mike Brewer

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I thought it was pretty clear. Real fights are more often than not pretty trivial. The vast majority of physical encounters are less than lethal, and most of them amount to little more than posturing. Even when they do escalate, they end up looking like the videos more than they look like the North Hollywood shootout. The universal truth is that if you really want to spend your time wisely, avoid paranoia and train for what happens. If I might bastardize a statement made years ago by Burton Richardson, instead of focusing on what's possible, train for what's probable.

Yes, that means being ready for lethal force. What it doesn't mean is wrapping yourself up so deeply in it that you develo pa warped sense of what real danger is. If you're not careful, you may end up convincing yourself that every little offense is worth killing someone over.

warrior_artist

That's not what I was referring to. You had made mention ina comment to a "Libby" of a different thread detailing what you referred to as the universal truth of combat. I was merely interested in locating that thread to read it.

As for my thoughts on combat I would have to say 98% of people do not function well in that environment. Which is why many resort to actions and movements of gross motor skill. It's also why there is a great of posturing involved in people not accustomed to functioning in that toxic, corrosive, environment. People tend not to go around seeking combat. It's practically hardwired in our systems to avoid it.

But there are wolves and sheepdogs. Wolves who prey on the sheep (the millions of innocent, good people, who go everyday bumping into one another without trying to kill one another) And there are sheepdogs, those who run to the sound of guns to protect the sheep against the wolf. Both the wolf and sheepdog live in the combat environment. The wolf because he is pathological and psychotic. The sheepdog because he must be a master of his realm in order to fight the wolf.

But this can lead into an entirely different thread that would sabotage the intent of this one. Suffice it to say the videos are good. It's also good to show how many people will stand by and watch a violent encounter unfold and do nothing. Interhuman aggression has been called the universal human phobia. Mostly because an estimate 98% of people will have a phobic response to it.

If I took a room full of people and dumped a bucket of snakes in it there would be a percentage of people who would have a truly phobic scale response. They would resort to using their hindbrain, rather their mid and fore brain. Some people watch, other would fight the snakes, and some would sell tickets to the show.

Now same room of people and a subject enters the room with a machete or gun or what-have-you and starts killing people, 98% of the people will have a phobic scale response. Not enough room in this thread to detail, but that's why when you watch videos of things like this, or witness them, they are gross, unrefined. But I believe you already understand that, and so I would direct the thought to those who may never have witnessed or participated in such an event.

Mike Brewer

I see. It was the reference to another conversation that threw me. I wasn't aware we were discussing that here. I'll write more about this in a bit now that I know what you're after.

Oh, and no offense, but if I hear the wolves and sheepdogs routine again, I think I'm probably going to vomit. It's been beat to death over the last few years, and what no one seems to grasp is that there's only one creature out of those three that's proactive. Sheep react to every snap of a twig thinking they're going to be eaten. Sheepdogs react to every snapping twig wondering if they're going to have to fight.

The wolf is acting, not reacting. There's something to be said for that.

Besides, I'm not really convinced that sheep are worth protecting anyway.

warrior_artist

The sheep would seriously make you think that sometimes.

Sure the sheepdog, sheep, wolf thing has been done, but it says a lot. The way society is, the sheepdog will have to wait for the wolf. (at least domestically. I hold a more proactive military belief) however, civil rights somewhat prohibit the sheepdog from "acting" in the same sense the wolf "acts" here at home.

a cop can not simply shoot a murder suspect on sight as does a criminal shoot someone for their wallet. so usually cops are reacting to the wolves. they are "acting", ie doing what they are called to do within the restrictions of the law.

that being said. i do not see the wolf "acting" in this respect any greater than the sheepdogs "reacting", only heightening the need for the sheepdog to be better at his dog.

I hope the further use of the analogy hasn't caused you to lose your dinner.

Mike Brewer

I threw up a little in my mouth, but it's okay. I brought it on myself, I guess.

My point is just that the cliche is a cop thing, not a human thing. We're not all cops, and we don't all have a need to be. I feel no need or obligation to protect my fellow man by fending off evil or defending the "flock." In fact, I think that's a self-defeating mindset. It allows victims to go right on ahead being victims, safe and comfortable in the knowledge that some poor bastard sheepdog is out there ready to take an ass-whupping by a pack of wolves if the need arises. To me, that's not warrior living.

Warrior living is making the flock recognize and understand that only they are responsible for their safety and well-being. It is also the acceptance of the fact that some people will just never have the personal resources to get there, and that means we're going to lose some sheep along the way. Fuckum. That's just nature doing what it does. It's not tragic - it's empowering. It's not heartless - it's making society a stronger, more able group.

Consider...hang on...

Sorry, I was getting ready to get back to the cliche of wolves and such and I had to go "cleanse"

...As I was saying, consider that the wolf is only a bad guy to the sheep. To his pack, the wolf is feeding his children on their natural prey. He's a provider, a defender, and a leader. Like a lion getting gored by a water buffalo or a cheetah taking a gazelle horn up the poop chute, prey is allowed to fight back, to be too fast, to be too alert, or to be too cunning for their predators. If they can't, they are meat for the beasts. Ron Hood said something years ago that I think is the truest statement ever made about life - "Life is just nature's way of keeping meat fresh until it is ready to use." True story.

We living things should not be alive just because it's illegal to kill us, and we should never ever expect others to lay down their lives in our defense. We should be thankful when it happens, but expecting it is the short road to extinction. Like the wolf <<<...hic...gulp...umph...>>> who teaches his young to hunt for themselves, outwit the sheepdogs, chase down the sheep, dig a den, find water, etc. etc. etc., a society that continues to teach self-sufficiency will always be strong. That strength is why soft, pink, weaker creatures fear them. It's precisely why sheep need shepherds in the first place. If sheep were as self-sufficient and strong as wolves, the sheepdogs would be out of work. It's the difference between our strong male role models and childhood heroes and these pink polo'd, Axe-drenched, carefully tweezed, overly moussed, androgenous metrosexuals that have risen as a result of the Political Correctness Revolution. Frankly, I miss the days when no one looked for a sheepdog to protect them. I miss the days when people stood up for themselves, even if it meant taking an occasional beating. At least they could hold their heads up! I think we'd all be better off if we stopped being so damned sympathetic towards willing victims and started ruthlessly demanding that people contribute more to their society than carbon dioxide.

Thus endeth the sermon.