darrianation

This is a take off of Mikes thread “Helpful Hints”.

I felt bad about hijacking that thread though, I hope I gave some helpful hints that folks can walk away with and use. But I decided this subject should probably have its own thread.

Mike has brought up a point about the differences between martial arts and fighting. Mike and I have talked a bit about this before and I took the opportunity to expand on what Mike said talking in depth about the “reality fight”. Since I’ve come to what I consider a personal and intimate understanding of the fight progression I have come to the realization that I am not a martial artist nor am I a shooter…I am simply put, a “fighter”.

Some of you will see a resemblance of what I am about to write with something I wrote previously in another thread. In that other thread I used a fictional character though, much of what I wrote about him is true (but not all of it—some of it is made up). In that other thread I talked about the perfect storm opponent but there is very little difference between the thug (wolf) and the fighter (warrior) just that the fighter warrior has a conscience and at least some compassion for his fellow man. This thread however is written with a different twist.

Personally, I have a hard time relating to martial artists and shooting enthusiasts because my current paradigm and methodologies have nothing to do with martial arts or shooting.

I don’t care about how one hits and I don’t care about the particulars of the technique. I just care that it is effective. In other words if you can hit hard that’s great but can you hit hard when the moment of truth is before you starring you in the face? That is what’s important. I don’t care what your scores are on the shooting range shooting bull’s-eyes, I don’t care if you won your last IPCS competition, I don’t care to argue which martial art is best, nor do I care if you submitted your opponent in your last cage fight. I only care about how to fight. There is such a huge difference yet the majority of folks can’t even see that.

As for me, I only want to study the most effective fighting and survival strategies at my disposal, ones that fit my framework of logic and ruthlessness….this is my religion.

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darrianation

The fighter who is really a warrior though, he can be in the military or work in law enforcement or security, he can also be just an everyday private civilian working a normal job but make no mistake he is different from 99% of the population.

The fighter takes care of his civic and familial obligations supporting himself and his family, he goes to work, he buys the groceries and pay the bills, and he may like to relax on the sofa every now and then just like anyone else but he is different because his thoughts are not wasted on cool cars, his next Vegas vacation because his thoughts are 24/7/365 on subjects of violence. His idea of a cool vacation is the next survival school he plans to attend. His idea of a great valentine present from his honey is a new tactical sling for his AK47 and a gift certificate for ammo at the local gun store.

The warrior trains his brain- he lays awake at night reading up on evolutionary, performance, and combat psychology, he reads books on the old gunfighters and outdoor survival, and he lays there late at night thinking of nasty ways of hurting the badguys. During the day and sometimes even late into the night he performs drills that are designed to train the software not just a bunch of physical repetitions on a heavy bag or in the air.

He trains his body- he has a very impressive bench press and he spends much of his free time pumping iron, doing killer kettleball routines, pounding out the miles of roadwork, dry firing his handgun, doing dynamic airsoft drills in the garage, beating the crap out his spar-pro and heavy bag, and beating tire piles with sticks. He doesn’t care if he looks
good doing it, he only cares that he hits fast, hard, and with emotion with the intent to wreak havoc on a future opponent.

He likes to spend his weekends training in various methods of mayhem, for instance, he has trained with folks like Andy Stafford, Gunsight, Frontsight, Ben Cooley, Blackwater, Mark Hatmaker, Mark Denny, Tom Soitis, and with his private training group of like minded warriors. In the last year he’s taken courses in electronic surveillance counter measures, tactical medicine, escape & evasion and counter tracking, terrorist interdiction, team tactics and clearing structures, snow and winter survival, and he has developed his curriculum along with his training partner for a new class they’ll be teaching this summer. In 2007 he shot nearly 40,000 rounds of ammunition in training…and he cannot count how many airsoft pellets he’s shot.

That’s not all…he holds black belts in karate, he’s trained in Muay Thai, wrestling (scholastic, freestyle and Greco-Roman), Kali, and is an ardent student of “Combatives”. He is a recipient of hundreds of thousands of Uncle Sam’s dollars spent on turning him into a killing machine (just like Mike).

His motivation is that someday all his hard work and sacrifice will pay off on that fateful day when he faces his perfect storm opponent in a fight for his life. And he has and it did.

Strategic deception- though, he dresses around his gear (guns, knives, leatherman tool, cell phone, etc) he doesn’t look like a thug, his goal is to be unseen because he doesn’t want to bring attention to himself and to the untrained eye he looks inconspicuous because he knows this increases his window of opportunity to trick his opponents. He knows that anonymity is the most important weapon he has in his formidable arsenal. he does not threaten, he does not allow himself to be baited, he does not warn, he does not talk shit or insult…those things take time and telegraph his intentions. If someone is stupid enough to **** with him he just acts…he makes him pay the stupid tax! He has trained himself to be that perfect storm opponent for someone else to have to deal with.

What he’s done to great effect is to synthesize his approach to fighting into a combination of very destructive, attack-oriented tactics and techniques that he can perform with maximal effort without much fear of hurting himself in the process. He can strike, he can grapple, and he can shoot and stab, and most importantly he is willing do it first, but since he knows he cannot always control all the factors surrounding the real world event, and if the other guy happens to do it first he will make him pay.

If someone were to want to fight him in an unarmed fight, is largely academic, because you will never, ever catch him unarmed. He has a CCW and he carries a G23, a folder and a fixed-blade with him at all times. His handgun is with him every single day of his life whether he carries it legally or not. He doesn’t care to strike with his hands given the slightest provocation his next likely move will be to draw his gun. If the badguy thinks he can disarm him or hit him he will most likely shoot him to the ground. And who says this fight will be fair? He most certainly will not fight fair, he will use ruse, deceit, and trickery to increase his opportunity to ambush his opponent from a position of surprise to gain the tactical advantage.

Guns aren’t the only things he trains to use…he also trains to use a knife to great effect. His favorite method is the Pikal and he trains the “sewing machine” method and sews his opponent into the ground. He has an extensive video library of all the James Keating and Michael Janach works. He owns all the Carl Cestari DVDs and Kelly McCann’s DVDs (combatives, knives, and firearms).

He is always ready and willing to do whatever it takes to win, if the situation requires that he run his opponent over with his truck, he will. If the badguy is more of a long range threat, he keeps a scoped M4 in a Pelican case in the trunk, next to his AK47, spare magazines, trauma-kit and bugout-ruck.

If the badguy thinks he can catch him unprepared in his home. His place is like a fortress, complete with a security system, multiple dead bolt locks, solid core doors, bars over the windows, peep holes, hedges trimmed away from the windows, sensor lights, three large barky dogs, and shotguns and other nasty implements of destruction placed strategically throughout his home.

Remember, he likes to move first and his first move is to draw a weapon on the badguy the second he identifies him as a threat. And he isn’t some stupid yahoo redneck from the sticks. He is educated, intelligent and a resourceful thinker. The warrior knows what he is capable of because he’s been tested but he also knows his limitations and he fights within the framework of his strengths and limitations. And because he understands the battlefield environment he can make decisive decisions without hesitation. He knows what his option are and he can choose between them like a surgeon carefully chooses his next implement from a tray of carefully organized surgical tools to hit upon the correct option, the one that fits the given circumstance. He can subdue his enemy with or without killing him and he knows when to attack or retreat though, he would rather attack.

The way he looks at his training is that he doesn’t know who he may face someday so he trains to face someone like himself…a worse-case opponent. He’s already faced some very scary monsters including terrorists, rapists, kidnappers, skilled ambushers and intelligent killers and he walked away unscathed. He doesn’t care if his next encounter is with a Middle Eastern jihad terrorist, a psychotic sociopath on a killing spree, or a fucking Jedi knight for that matter, because he has prepared himself for the worst and he is capable of dominating any environment, day or night, long range to colse range!

Many folks including martial artists, shooters, and sheep have called him names including but not limited to “paranoid”, “crazy”, “insane” and “paranoid freak”. That’s okay because he is, and you know what? He doesn’t care because he doesn’t hang out with normal folks anyway…he prefers to hang out with folks like himself.

He trains everyday so when his number gets called to face the final exam, he will face it with clarity of mind and purpose, with true confidence and without fear. He is a warrior and the thugs fear him not the other way around.

The bottom line is, the goal is to finish the fight by the most effective means available, period. The ax hand is good, a knife in his throat is better, filling him full of holes before he can reach you with his bullets, knife or friends is even better.

So, as you can see he is not your run of the mill martial artist, he is not a lazy Sunday after noon range rat. No, he is a “fighter” who doesn’t train as a hobby or for the sake of training he trains with a specific purpose in mind and that is to WIN any fight he enters into.

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darrianation

My goal for this thread is to express to you folks that the fighter who is really a warrior thinks differently than most folks do including the majority of martial artists. Fighter/warriors train differently too. The warrior only cares about the most efficient, effective, and usable tools and skills at his disposal to perform his unspeakable deeds of destruction and mayhem. He only cares about dominating the battlefield and destroying his enemy as quickly and as efficiently as possible.

While most folks are saying to themselves “I am glad I wasn’t there” when hearing of some terrible tragic violent event the fighter (the warrior) on the other hand is saying to himself, “I wish I could have been there, maybe I could have made a difference”. The fighter doesn’t necessarily go looking for trouble but always present in the back of his mind is the secret wish that trouble will find him.

As a fighter/warrior I certainly have to fight with my darker side on a daily basis. Also, I have a hard time connecting to the majority of the human race because the majority of folks don’t get what makes us tick because we often look like the wolf, act like the wolf and are dangerous like the wolf. Folks get concerned even scared when they see what the warrior can do because they themselves could never do what he can do.

Anyone can choose to be a warrior or choose to be something else, it is really a choice. Yes, you can choose, no you do not have to join the Army and become a Ranger and go fight in Iraq. Yes, you do have to make concessions to life style, you have to commit yourself to a high standard of work ethic and sacrifice and bleed for it. No one is born a warrior anymore than someone is born to be a victim. Whatever your decision is please do not confuse martial arts or square range shooting with fighting. Warrior hood is not the path for the weak minded or for those who choose to live there lives in denial, it isn’t a part time hobby, it is a mindset and a 24/7/365 way of life. The warrior is very comfortable entering dangerous places and is very familiar with violence.

The mind is what makes the warrior, his eagerness to walk no, sprint into harms way is what makes him such an enigma to the masses, and his willingness to flip the switch drag racing to violence is what makes him so dangerous.

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darrianation

It is pretty simple really.

A couple of things come to mind a. you cannot separate the “mindset” from the fighter. Take away the “mindset” and you destroy the fighter. In other words you cannot separate the person from the fighter. b. the fighter only cares about WINNING and only the most efficient skills and tools will give him what he needs. The fighter does not care where those skills and tools come from as long as they are efficient and effective and he is always looking to improve those skills and tools and to make himself a better fighter.

The fighter does not fear the “wolf” because he knows what he is capable of and he knows what he is willing to do. A couple of factors:

1. The fighter is willing to escalate the violence further and faster than his opponent.
2. He has prepared himself for this day training his mind, body, skills, and tools in the most practical and contextually relevant methods.

Lets just call it what it is and leave the PC spin to the PC police. What makes him able to accept and train the things he does is that he is fully accepting of that fact that he is willing to kill other human beings if that is what it take to “win”. He does not want a tie, he does not want to simply survive, he wants to dominate the tactical arena and prevail 100% of the time. In fact, the fighter is an efficient killer because he has the mindset and the most efficient skills, and tools for the job.

The fighter will not care to get into a fist fight though, he has trained his HTH skills but those only come into play when he is unable for whatever the reason to access his weapons before the fight begins.

Here is where the martial artist will ask…what about unarmed fighting in Self Defense?

The way I look at unarmed fighting in self-defense, it is to be avoided if at all reasonably possible.

W.E. Fairbairn one of the principle architects of WWII combatives had this to say, "Unarmed combat is what we enter into when we have been foolish enough not to have a weapon; careless enough to lose our weapon, or unlucky enough to have broken our weapon. But in any case our first choice will be to use deadly weapons to finish off our opponent. Lacking those weapons; then our hands and feet will have to do."

The point to this is, unarmed combat is NOT the most efficient method for self-defense. Though, depending on the circumstances it can be effective, the only time it should be used is when you have no other superior alternatives given to you such as the use of weapons or escape. A self-defense situation happens when you have no reasonable choices left but to engage the enemy or run a reasonable risk of being severely injured or possibly killed. Therefore, your goal should be to eliminate the threat as quickly and as efficiently as possible.

Anyone who is serious about their self-defense training should be training to WIN in a no rules anything can happen event which more often than not (regardless of what people say) is unexpected sudden violent confrontation. Therefore, that person really should consider for the sake of efficiency and effectiveness what tactics will allow him to safely arm himself as quickly as possible during a confrontation. Employing force multipliers is a far faster, safer, and efficient means to end the fight than attempting to prevail through unarmed skills alone.

We have three primary fighting platforms at play here:

1. Tactical weapons-craft.
2. Combatives.
3. A hand to hand fighting method.

*Combatives is the frame on which the other two hinge on.

The most efficient and effective method tactically speaking is to “Go Strait To Guns” in the first place bypassing combatives and HTH methods altogether, combatives or HTH is only brought to bear when that option isn’t immediately available at the time.

Combatives is about taking the first 6-10 seconds to your exclusive advantage to wage an all-out asymmetrical assault on your opponent. But what if after those precious seconds your opponent is still standing in front of you and still fighting? At this point if both combatants are still standing and fighting the battle more often than not breaks down into symmetrical fighting much like a boxing match (only uglier). And what happens if your goal is not to destroy your opponent but to subdue him by less-then-lethal means?

The use of a weapon is lethal force and if you are in a true self-defense situation deadly force is warranted, and since combatives is characteristically a segue to weapons deployment it also must be considered a “lethal” response” as well. In the absence of the threat of possible serious injury or being killed, HTH is the best option for subduing a person when under those circumstances…and that is the only time it should be used.

You can still use less-than-lethal force multipliers such as OC spray (pepper spray) but always be prepared to back it up with something more substantial if it should fail to have the desired effect. Combining both (OC spray followed by HTH) is a much higher percentage solution than just using one.

To this end I really don’t think it matters which system, style, or art you train in they will all work as long as the practitioner trains hard and trains often because the physical attributes and skill will play a much greater role in the outcome. Remember, in unarmed fighting size, strength and skill play a more important roll in the outcome. Weapons with the willingness to use them can likely neutralize your opponent’s size, strength, age, advantages as well as many other disadvantages such as a multiple opponent situation, etc.

Personally I prefer something simple, something easy to learn, easy to retain and safe for the user. I would avoid any art, school, or system that:

• Brags about how many techniques they have.
• Consider themselves to be a “defensive” art only.
• Those who are excessively into kicking especially ones that espouse high kicks since they can leave the user venerable to counters and injury if the kick should miss or fail to KO the opponent plus they can take longer to learn and degrade quickly without constant practice.
• Techniques which rely heavily on constant practice and lose effectiveness rapidly without continuous maintenance.
• Techniques which rely on a high degree of athleticism and fine motor skill. There maybe those individuals who can effectively pull them off but most cannot readily achieve the same level of competence.

I would seek out schools that train with realistic pressure or utilize fully resisting sparring partners. Though, there are traditional martial art schools that train this way they are few and far between. Sports based systems do a better job, systems such as boxing, Muay Thai, or mixed martial arts train with resisting partners and will put your skill, brawn, stamina, and work ethic to the test which is what you want. I know some combative systems that incorporate many high percentage components from boxing or Muay Thai or Mixed martial arts into their curriculum….and by definition they should.

So, which martial arts would I recommend?

I like simple, the simpler the better (as long as it isn’t so simple it looses its robustness). I really like boxing because it a straight forward system and compared to other martial arts it is simpler to learn. But as a striking specialty it leaves you vulnerable if you should slip, fall, or get tackled to the ground with your opponent going down with you…in other words boxing leaves you with no options on the ground.

Even better is mixed martial arts or cage fighting because it offers well integrated multiple fighting platforms that utilizes striking, clinch fighting, and ground grappling submitting the opponent through striking, pounding, choking, and joint manipulations. I would look for schools that are more prone to the “sprawl and brawl” type rather then “submission” specialty schools.

You want something that requires a high level of physical strength and stamina. Something that will test your skills in a reasonably realistic manner meaning the other guy is trying to beat you. MMA fits that description perfectly.

Of course they are unarmed fighting specialists and do not offer options outside a specific set of tightly restricted parameters. Just remember why you are training and try as much as possible to put your unarmed training into its proper context. For example, if you have learned to hit hard, then you must learn to apply that impact in street-relevant situations. If you have learned a shoot-in, then you can shoot-in for the double leg takedown but instead of working for some kind of position progressing to a submission by joint lock or choke instead you find that the takedown opens up the opportunity to access your gun. Maybe you’ll learn that a knife is a great tool for getting to your feet when your opponent has you pinned to the ground.

Personally, I prefer the sprawl and brawl type of MMAs to the submission specialist types but if you get the chance to try this stuff out in realistic scenarios you’ll see what groups or chains of skills that will transfer over to a street-relevant platform and which ones won’t.

These are only guidelines I am not saying “Only MMA should be trained” what you choose to train in is up to you just remember why you are training.

Grappling in self-defense:

Don’t do it! If you find yourself on the ground with an opponent it better be because you tripped or slipped or somehow screwed up and got tackled to the ground but you better not be there because you intended it, bad things can happen there especially if your opponent has friends. Can you absolutely guarantee that one of those on lookers isn’t part of his entourage?

A few things to avoid on the ground:

• Do NOT cover up or rest on the bottom. You have to keep working for that escape, you have to scramble to get to your weapons or to get him off of you. Only bad things happen to those who get pinned to the ground in a fight…very bad things. If he is on top of you and you cant’ get him off then you are pinned, it doesn’t matter if you have him in your quarter guard, half, guard, or guard if he is on top and you can’t get up you are pinned.
• On the ground it is important to be in a dominant position to strike. Simply put you have to be the aggressor.

The important things to consider in an unarmed fighting method are:

1. Learn to hit hard, very hard. Hitting first is also important.
2. Learn how to deal with a clinch, when your opponent grabs on. The pummeling drill with knee work is excellent for training clinch fighting- but remember in the fight you can headbutt, bite, and scratch his eyes out.
3. Learn to regain your feet safely with an opponent standing over you and on top of you.
4. Learn to access your weapons from every conceivable position even with an opponent on top of you.
5. You should be dedicated to daily strength and conditioning work.

And remember, your HTH training is a subordinate skill-set to your gun and knife and not the other way around.

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darrianation

So, what is your take on the differences between the fighter and the martial artist? I tried to show the biggest differences are:

1. The “mindset” of the fighter differs from the martial artist in that the martial artist is still playing the (nice) goodguy who always has the high moral ground. The fighter on the other hand takes his book of dirty tricks from the badguys and thugs. He is more closely related to the thug then he is the Ward Cleaver’s of the world. The thought of eviscerating or killing someone in defense of himself or others doesn’t bother him at all. Take the biggest, baddest, meanist most evil villian you can think of and the fighter, regardless how nice and gentle he may really be in his everyday life, he wants to be and in fact he is that guy or worse when the moment of truth comes...when the SHTF.

2. The fighter incorporates a tactical lifestyle into his everyday living. This guy eats, sleeps, and breaths violence in that he trains to be violent, his choice of dress, gear, vehicles, friends and how he interacts with people, books, movies, TV programs, and often his career is guided by his tactical lifestyle.

3. The lengths he will go too to WIN. He will do anything to win when his life or the life of an innocent is on the line.

4. And his priorities are different. He would much rather use weapons than HTH. He prefers an open architecture training model that is aggressive and attack-oriented that fits his framework of ruthlessness and logic to a restrictive styliezed system. And he only wants to study the most "efficient" skills, tools, and methods for defeating his enemies becuase he knows that his enamy only has to get it right once whereas he has to get it right 100% of the time.

*The fighter is as dangerous or more so than the thug or terrorist and shares other traits in common with them as well.

Anything else?

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kanik

Christ thats long.

7r14ngL3Ch0k3

way too long

g-bells

i think he is looking for this word to sum up

"Gameness"

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freefighter2010

Holy shit this is very long post

dogzilla

I have to do it, srry guy, but i LOLED. sry for the spam


freefighter your one funny guy

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freefighter2010

Urrrm thanks for the compliment Dogzilla

dogzilla

Something come up in my mind while reading darrs post.

When he was talking about "mind-set", well i seen alot more people who arent trained in anything, but his mind and he alone is willing to do in a dangerous situations everything to succed, if thats putting fingers in eye he will do it. Just wanting to say, its all about the mind, if your "crazy" in the mind then nothing will stop you (execpt one nice placed KO )

The point is, if u are willing to do anything to succed then oponent will stop you very hard.


And about dangerous places, well thats quite right to, i my self never have been scared to go to "dangerous" places, since i dont look for troubles, but they usual find me (the thing thats in the head if it comes down it comes down, there is no backing of). Im not afraid of street fight, yes i have fear of getting KO and having someone jumping on my head, but thats what gives me more "strength" in a fight, you simply cant afford getting KO on you, you dont know what will happen in that 10 sec while your out. Next thing you know you will be in a hospital wakeing up and 6 month have passed and you will be holy shit wtf just happend.


I have even helped a guy (who was obivusly on a exstazy) and about 15 ppl wanted to beat him up, i jumped in, since i always think, would i want to happen that to me, if i would be drunk for example i would want to ppl help me against 15 to. So i helped him got him in a cab and that was it, he did get slapped since it was the only way for the guy to take of whitout going to hospital, but if that was the price for leaving him alone then be it.

But a warrior is everyone, some in diffrent way some in other way. Some are warriors and study like hell, just becouse they want to succed in this world and be somebody, have money. Finish school and have a carrer. Some are barly making it threw the month and are working their ass of just so his family could live threw the month. Some are warriors in a fightful way, wont take shit from anyone and so on. Everyone is a warrior, its just from what perspective you look and from what angle.

And about a subject "sucker punch" if i see problems, yes it can be dealth whit words and calmnes, but sometimes its easyer to punch first (if you know the fight is going to happen) and win, i wont wait for his sucker punch to KO, (read what i wrote up and you will see why), some train whole life and never had a fight, well thats nice, but i am not into that miyagi stuff walking away, im more of a man who takes further steps to win, and if that is a fight or ever more i will do it, but that is only if i see the danger is escalating and its coming to me (like for examp. a man who wants to take our fight to the family and going to my home, or puting me in hospital) then i will do him twice the more he done to me. Some ppl would say im crazy, its not its just "what are you willing to do and how far would you go". And yes i always think of i do something to him i think how would it be on my side if it happend to me. So i never go to extrems and never had gone, i was never forced to it and hope i wont be, since it would end up pretty ugly (even whit my death on it, if it should happen) like i said its what ur willing to do and how far would you go.



Well usual what i write noone seems to care, i posted now its up to you to read
Cya all and have a nice day.

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dogzilla

Well good point thinking of scenarios that might happen. It does help, but there is so many scenarios that can happen and could go wrong, that you just cant be preapared for it. YOu might be preapared for alot of them, but not all.

And about the mind set and traning body, and all, well usual in when some stresful situation comes, your body gets adrenaline rush, that helps alot when ur taking hits, after the fight person dosent even know how many damage did he take since the adrenaline makes the pain not so much notable. So thats a big factor in the fights to.

Well and if that and that situation, i really mean, cmon, lets think about it. You want to do a sceario about one thing, you get jumped in a bathroom in a bar by a drunken man. Ok now lets think, he comes in he starting to talk stuff and you see he wont go away, what are the options, and there are so many WHAT IF question that one scenario can have...

Now lets have a look about a bathroom scenario:

1. What if he has a weapon, any sort knife, gun, beer bootle, brass nuckles,... What would in that case be the best thing to do.
2. What if he starts to jell for his "guys" to help him out against you.
3. What if the floors are wet and its realy slippery, you and him might go straight to the ground.
4. What if its a very small bathroom?
5. What if its a very big bathroom?
6. What if the lights in it are very bad.
7. What if some random persons come in, what should you do, not even give him and attention or give him?
8. What if you punch him and then you have to face the whole bunch of his guys, even tho it wasnt your fault, or after you do take care of him, you got problems whit cops.
9. What if u arent dressed for kicks, maybe you still got a jacket on and it might go on your head and you arent able to see anything....
10. I cant remeber anything more....

Ok so lets take this situation had 4 What if, then we look at scenarios that might happen for example 100 other that are 100% possible to happen in a daily situation and there are again 4 what if, that makes 400 diffrent situation.

Can you say you could be prepapred for it, well not now, maybe, and im just saying maybe you could be, but its like in martial arts, you use only hands, boxing for example you will be so good in it becouse you have trained them in such a way more then 10 years that your very good whit them, or if u train 8 diffrent kicks, alot of blocks, alot of diffrent hands, learning low kick, mid kick high kick, ground fighting,... Of course you will be good at them but not as much as that guy at boxing, so if you take in consideration all that, you will never be as good and as preapared at that situations like you would want. Just to much what if...

And no im not saying any MA is bad i just gaved an example someone used some time ago and stayed printed in my memory.


And dont think im trying to say its useles to preapare your self mentaly and pshyicly for it, but like i said i dont know how would someone preapare for all that bunch of scenarios that might occure.


Have a nice talk futrher

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Martial arts history:

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dogzilla

Yeah i think i understood what u mean. I hope, its not nessesary to make milion of scenarios if u know the goal of your self in what u want when it happen.

And of course everyone of us are trying to survive in this kind of situations, thats the priority of any human alive.

Nice talking to you

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Present: Taekwondo

dogzilla

Before we continue, its hard for me to understand your last post, since im not american. You want to talk about the situations that are low or medium risky? And how should one responde to it and how do we preapare for it?

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R.I.P my dear MOTHER (1965-2004)

Martial arts history:

Past: 8 years of Judo
Present: Taekwondo