freefighter2010

First of all i wish to apologise to the moderators if this topic has been covered already. There is a post that covers legal weapons to carry for protection however its confusing because i want to know exactly what rights are as a citizen in UK when it comes to weapons. Stuff like batons etc are just not legal in UK unlike some parts of the USA.

Your thoughts please

Tant01

I would never encourage anyone to violate the laws of the land but...

As the 19th-century jurist James Paterson remarked in his Commentaries on the Liberty of the Subject and the Laws of England Relating to the Security of the Person:

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While the old form, jujutsu, was studied solely for fighting purposes, Kano's new system is found to promote the mental as well as the physical faculties.

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Tant01

You could start with Chapter 26. Guns are obviously out of the question.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1996..._19960026_en_1

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While the old form, jujutsu, was studied solely for fighting purposes, Kano's new system is found to promote the mental as well as the physical faculties.

T. Shidachi, 1892

Hardball

Seems like the perfect society to study martial arts.

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Michael Wright

On an even playing field Hardball you would be absolutely right sir. Unfortunately, the key word is that we are not legally allowed to carry weapons........but criminals have absolutely no problem ignoring that.

Tant01

.......................Exactly!

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While the old form, jujutsu, was studied solely for fighting purposes, Kano's new system is found to promote the mental as well as the physical faculties.

T. Shidachi, 1892

Mike Brewer

No apology needed. The other thread was heavily slanted to those of us in the States, and this is a great supplement.

I don't live in a place where weapons are hard to find, buy, or carry. It's not only easy, but for the most part, it's legal. The right to self-defense is almost universal here, so it's hard for me to identify with not being able to just strap on my gun when I leave the house. Still, self-protection is a basic human instinct and the fact that you chose to title this thread "Legal Weapons" shows that at some level, you understand that weapons are more effective for that purpose than hand fighting. In that vein, I'd encourage you to conduct an experiment my students and I did some years ago. For a period of several months, we all left our normal tools at home. We didn't carry guns or knives, but rather made it a game to try and pick out things to use as weapons wherever we went. At a restaurant, knives are usually handy. At a conveneince store, all manner of impact weapons are available. And God love hardware stores! The idea is that the basic truth is most important:

The man is dangerous, not the tool.

The tool is just an implement the man employs, but it's his training, his mindset, and his will to act that makes or breaks the fight. I'm reminded of a Special Forces buddy of mine nearly getting us carted off a plane on the way back from Korea when the stewardess told him all the knives used in the meal service had been removed for safety reasons. He said "Lady, if I wanted to take this plane, I could do it with or without your silverware."

As to the question, look at your own local laws and decide for yourself what's allowable. The law will narrow the options, and the consequences will determine whether or not you're willing to violate them. In the end, it's always going to be a matter of how important it is to you rather than what the law says. As I said, here, the law allows anyone of legal age and without a criminal background to carry as the ysee fit, so I may be offering advice from a biased standpoint. Still, when it comes to protecting yourself, it's ultimately going to be for you and you alone to decide.

Tant01

The Law
Section 1 of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 prohibits the possession in any public place of an offensive weapon without lawful authority or excuse. (Archbold, 24.106a)

Definition of an offensive weapon. (Archbold, 24.115)

'Offensive weapon' is defined as any article made or adapted for use to causing injury to the person, or intended by the person having it with him for such use. The courts have been reluctant to find many weapons as falling within the first limb of the definition and reliance should usually be placed upon the second. On that basis it must be shown that the defendant intended to use the article for causing injury.

Lord Lane, CJ. in R.-v-. Simpson (C), (78 Cr.App.R.115), identified three categories of offensive weapons: those made for causing injury to the person, i.e. offensive per se; those adapted for such a purpose; and those not so made or adapted, but carried with the intention of causing injury to the person.

In the first two categories, the prosecution do not have to prove that the defendant had the weapon with him for the purpose of inflicting injury: if the jury are sure that the weapon is offensive per se ...

Offensive per se
For the caselaw on instances of weapons considered to be offensive per se (Archbold 24-116).

Section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 prohibits the possession in a public place of any article which has a blade or is sharply pointed, (including a folding pocket knife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 7.62cm/3 inches). (Archbold, 24.125)

Both offences under section 1 of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 and section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 are triable either-way. The offence of having an offensive weapon carries a maximum sentence of four years imprisonment...



A dangerous weapon includes an offensive weapon as specified by the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988, as amended in 2002, or knife, bladed or pointed article.


http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section12/chapter_c.html#06

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While the old form, jujutsu, was studied solely for fighting purposes, Kano's new system is found to promote the mental as well as the physical faculties.

T. Shidachi, 1892

Michael Wright

Brilliant.

I went to Minneapolis in February, and I realised that I hadn't completed my visa for landing, so I called a stewardess. I asked her if she had a biro, she said yes I do sir, but I can't give it to you for safety reasons. When I looked blank she said added...."you could use it as a weapon".

I smiled and said "Oh, you've seen my website sweetheart".

Mike Brewer

Forgive my being a dumb yank, but what'sa biro?

freefighter2010

Thanks Mike

In answer to your quesiton a biro is a pen :-)

dogzilla

The problem of european conutrys is, that if you want to obtain a weapon on a legal way it takes to much time, 1st you have to got threw psyhic test (not to mention they chek for any records whit the police, so they can see if you are ok), then you need 2 things to get, which is again very hard to do, get the licence to carry it whit you and one to have it in your house, i may be wrong, since it has been long ago when i disscus it whit someone, but it is something like this.


So no wonder ppl buy guns of the black market, easy to get, easy to use and easy to dispose. No bitchin around whit the papers/police/and any kind of psych test....

Any kind of cold weapon carrying is not allowed, i think as i may remeber, but i cannot confirm it, you can carry a small blade that the balde dosent not goes threw the limit of 5 cm. Any further than that and you can be charged on carrying a illegal weapon.


Since the guy from UK, dosent know, simple weapon like peper spray, stun gun, i think it is obtainable in UK, in here, Slovenia u still have to go to police station to report it, that you have it. Got stoped 2 times and searched after they found it said i need to report it.
So basicly go learn MA and grab one of this 2 babys and your ok.

You should stop at any local police station and ask for some info.

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freefighter2010

Thanks mate pepper sprays are illegal in UK. I do not want to break any law in UK and hence me posting this question. I think blades are legal so long as they dont lock i have to check on this

freefighter2010

I was in France and Germany for a holiday and there its crazy you purchase knuckle dusters, pepper sprays, stun gast etc.

Michael Wright

freefighter,

spotting a real theme across your posts, why the fascination with weapons?

Two fists, two feet, two elbows, two knees, a sharp mind, a strong heart and a pair of healthy lungs. Thats a pretty good arsenal right there.