DJColdfusion

I know this isn't exactly a selfdefense for kids forum but I have been working on the content and format for an anti-abduction seminar for kids, for almost 2 years now, and I'm getting to a point where I want to finalize the organization. It would really help me, and I’d greatly appreciate it if , anyone who might be a parent, teacher, cop, or work with kids could answer the following question.

In your opinion, what is the #1 issue that kids need to be aware of, or the #1 skill they need to possess to survive an attempted abduction?

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muaythai.matt

personally, speaking from a 16yr olds point of view, if i was a parent i would take my kids to some form of martial arts. my preference would be MT because thats my MA but i think kids these days need to be able to 'handle' themselves not just for anti-abduction but to be able to defend themselves on the street seeing as knife crime and violence has risen like a bitch.

Garland

I love muay thai! But...let me illustrate a point -

This is my old trainer:

YouTube Video

His name is Sakasem...he's had "over 300 fights, and never been knocked out...a world champ", yada yada ya. Sakasem carries a KNIFE for personal protection. I'm assuming this is because for some reason he may not be ABLE to have a FIREARM.

This is small clip on the threat a knife poses:

YouTube Video

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kingoftheforest

Having as password is good too. Sometimes strangers will tell kids that their parents sent them to get the kid because something happened to the parent.

If there is a safe word and the person doesn't know it the child should be educated on how to get help immediately. Jessica Lumsford was abducted using this method here in Florida. There was no safe word for her to use.

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Garland

ah shit...I found that on youtube, it has a compilation of video clips illustrating the reactionary gap, followed by some 21 foot rule illustrated clips, followed by an expirement involving police H2H training where most of them didn't even NOTICE they were being stabbed during the drill, and then vunak clips, followed by knife wounds, followed by a list of combat fighters who have been topped being stupid and getting shanked or capped. Good video.

I'll try to find it again.

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muaythai.matt

thanks 4 the video garland...the reality of this is quite scary really and its true what people say about knife wounds being worse than a large proportion of gunshot wounds...it makes u realise the true dangers, i mean the weekend just gone 2 lads my age where stabbed to death in the centre of the town where i live when they were out clubbin and that was in just 1 night! although i suppose having some form of defense tactics are better than nothing, although none of us really know how good they are unless we were in that situation. society has gone down the drain in the last 2 years

DJColdfusion

I designated it "anti-abduction" because, even with all of the rabid dangers out there, most stranger related assaults get ugly at the "2nd location" and not at the first location, or initial point of contact. My thought process led from the understanding of how dangerous leaving the first location really is . . . in short, preventing an abduction requires the victim to do everything within their power to remain at the first location. This requires a couple of points of understanding, that are not exactly easy for any kid:

#1 Force against force will NOT work.

I don't care how bad ass your 9 year old junior black belt world champion is. If a grown man, with the adrenaline buzz of a predator, decides to abduct a mini-ninja then the odds of the child escaping while employing "force on force" physical skills (i.e. punching, kicking) are next to nil.

#2 They are going to get hurt

The "bad guy" doesn't just want to hurt the child, they want to take them someplace where they just might kill the child. Some people fear the violence a predator can unleash, and they should . . . we just have to remember that whatever the attacker is willing to do in a public setting (1st location) can not compare to what they are most likely to do when they get their victim into whatever private area they have prepared. This is a scary realization to make, but a necessary one. Even the best physical skills and the perfect set of defense strategies will not guarantee that the child will remain unhurt. The only way to do that is to wrap your kid up in bubble wrap and never let them leave the house.

Accepting that they are going to get hurt gives them a tool to move past it. That way when their abductor slaps them, shoves them, kicks them . . . whatever, the child isn't stunned into a lack of action. They move, they fight, and God-willing, they survive.

#3 There is no such thing as "winning"

Victory is survival. Nobody wins when one human being assaults another. The goal is to get away, go home, and live.

And that's basically the foundation of the philosophical backing to the physical structure/techniques which, since I am a BJJ phlebe, are largely based on Jiu-Jitsu open guard, x-guard, Dela Riva, and half-guard techniques.

The strategies that back the physical techniques are definitely still in the framework stage.

Kids seem to really enjoy the physical skills and, since I'm not trying to create mini Marcello Garcias, they are really not that extensive. Much of it is just showing them different grips and practicing movements based on simplified guard fighting principles (push-pull, keep your knees between you and your opponent, always pressure, etc).

And outside of that I would like to work with some of the larger national groups that already have so dang much material on keeping kids safe from abduction/assault/exploitation. That would probably mean that I would have to purchase the material myself . . . which can obviously get prohibitively expensive, but this isn't about finding a way to get rich.

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LtMedTB

Tell kids to drop their school books or school bag and run away if a stranger approaches them. If a stranger grabs them by the arm, they should scream "RAPE!" at the top of their lungs. That gets attention, while just screaming may not. Run toward people, not behind houses or into the woods. This should be practiced with kids, because generally speaking kids are taught to be respectful toward adults, and they may be under pressure not to "lose" their books by teachers, or even parents.

Garland

With the by-stander effect, they'd be better off screaming "fire". Running towards other people and public places is a good idea too...if somebodies fighting off an adult in public it probably looks alot worse...but then again, you're assuming that the people around will actually step in and do something, not assume someone else will (like fucking cattle) or just mark the scene up to an irrate child and a frustrated parent...

I say give the kid a knife and tell them where to cut. It's a big responsibility, and a huge liability...but...it works. Give me two 200lb men and a little 10 year old boy with a sharpie and lets see if they can pick the kid up without him marking them up...

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