Wommem's Judo

[Greenthink]

Yeah but then you don't question that so then you blindly accept the other crap like the oldfashioned way of training and throwing and that stuff just does not work.Do you even realize there are differant ways of learning and performing the same throws?Alot of the classical training methods are wrong,the ways they try to throw don't work while moving around and the whole subserviant ,spiritual,old fashioned stuff is self defeating.

Its only in the U.S.that the whole bowing /spiritual B.S.is held as being so important.And its because its used as a control method so the people that created the Judo organizations can stay in power.Thats why we get HUMILIATED in Olympic competition.

Look at how they try to teach the throws standing still,with no driving position for the legs, even driving the wrong way (backwards),pushing themselves out of the throw!

[Greenthink]

They Don't arrive at the same destination. There is a defininte right and wrong way of teaching a throw,there is a correct way of performing a throw.Look how the throws really happen in the heat of contest and then look at how they are taught.Totally differant.One is dynamic and powerful, when you see it ,it is astheticly pleasing to the eye.When taught the old fashioned way it looks sloppy,like they are trying to keep from falling overbackwards.They manage a barely passable version from trial and error in spite of their training.There is no opportunity to polish their throws because they are still trying to figure out how they actually do throw!

[Greenthink]

I can tell you are a really good listener.And you really pickup on clues very well.Like the name of the thread.Would that be a clue.Did you know that people have profiles .Just click on the persons name.You don't have a clue what I am talking about do you.Judo,judo,judo,and more judo.
Women's judo in fact.Want me to start over? or should I save my breath.
Does anyone really care?Any judoplayers out there? Women judoplayers?

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[IPON]

Originally Posted by HandtoHand

Also greenthink while competitions do have their place they are not the end all and focusing a style just for the ring under certain rules many times, leads to degradation of the style. This is the case because certain counters which would be used in real life are prohibitted in real life, so faulty techniques are developed which work only because of the rules. If you arent aware of this it will result in getting your ass handed to you.

You do realize the context of this thread is women's judo (as a sport) Original thoughts are good to have especially when they are your own.

[Greenthink]

The judo school I went to also helped produce the first American world judo champion. It so happens that person is a women.

[Lestat]

Originally Posted by Greenthink

Yeah but then you don't question that so then you blindly accept the other crap like the oldfashioned way of training and throwing and that stuff just does not work.Do you even realize there are differant ways of learning and performing the same throws?Alot of the classical training methods are wrong,the ways they try to throw don't work while moving around and the whole subserviant ,spiritual,old fashioned stuff is self defeating.

Its only in the U.S.that the whole bowing /spiritual B.S.is held as being so important.And its because its used as a control method so the people that created the Judo organizations can stay in power.Thats why we get HUMILIATED in Olympic competition.

Look at how they try to teach the throws standing still,with no driving position for the legs, even driving the wrong way (backwards),pushing themselves out of the throw!

Sorry for the late reply but I was in Paris for the world biggest judo tournament :-)
And again, US judo got yet again humiliated. The question is how on earth is this possible ? If countries/places like Puerto rico or even Mali are producing decent players why not the US ? And please don't evoke any bowing or shintoism.
BTW, I wasn't blaming Jimmy on the contrary. He is the tree hiding the forest. Without him, the US would be as known as Liechtenstein.

[Greenthink]

You guys act like I don't know what I'm talking about.My old Judo coach sued the national Judo oranizations to get rid of the bowing to the mat.
They spent $300.000 to defend bowing to the mat.This shows where their priorities lie.This was money that could have/should have been spent towards athlete development.Need I say more.

THE MOONIES HAVE TAKEN CONTROL.Do you know what a moonie is?
The Reverand Sun Young Moon,used to have followers that appeared to be brainwashed.They used to sell all of their belongings and give the money to Reverand Moon.They used to come around places where people worked trying to sell pots and pans and other things raising money so they could give it to the Reverand.They would leave all of their friends and family and devote everything to the Unification Church.How dare you call this a cult.Why its just a church and they just appear to take advantage of these poor people.There isn't really such a thing as brainwashing is there?And nobody would use the cover of religion just so they could take advantage of people would they?What -just to make money and to keep their positions of power.Of course not.

And just because there are three differant national judo oranizations,why,that doesn't mean they are power hungry now does it?They must have the athletes best intrests in mind. Nobody would think that
bowing could be used as a control method.To promote un-critical thinking.
I mean old-fashioned is good right? What do you mean-sports are done while moving?If that were true then the great masters wouldn't teach it standing still.You must not have your mind right.You must be some kind of troublemaker.You just don't understand like the rest of us.You are not enlightened like us that are privey to the great secrets of the universe.Its a spiritual thing you know judo is about spirits and respect.Oh thats it, you are disrespectful.That explains everything.Its about respect.

I personally do'nt think they want to win,things might get too big to CONTROL involving unsavory amateur athlete types.Those that are not part of the Spiritual,all-knowing great scheme of things.You know the RESPECT and all that.

And the Reverand Moon is still alive and thriving.But not in Judo , that's already covered.

[Greenthink]

Plus the vast majority of americans see right thru this B.S.They don't want their children subjected to this kind of manipulative-coercive crap.There are plenty of other sports where this stuff would not be tolerated for one minute.
And seeing that it takes alot of money to travel for international competition, the higher the income the higher the education (generally)and people's understanding is more sophisticated,they see right thru the moonies.
And wrestlers,seeing they are the fighters they are aren't going to subject themselves to some de-humanizing,subserviant,quasi-religous bull,just to compete in a goof-ball infested sport.( At least on any great basis).

And last but not least,bowing IS against the Tenents of Judism, Christianity and Islam.

So Who Is Left? Hello?

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by Greenthink

You guys act like I don't know what I'm talking about.My old Judo coach sued the national Judo oranizations to get rid of the bowing to the mat.
They spent $300.000 to defend bowing to the mat.This shows where their priorities lie.This was money that could have/should have been spent towards athlete development.Need I say more.

THE MOONIES HAVE TAKEN CONTROL.things might get too big to CONTROL involving unsavory amateur athlete types.Those that are not part of the Spiritual,all-knowing great scheme of things.You know the RESPECT and all that.

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.................. ugh. again. you need medication for your paranoid bullshit. seriously. seriously.

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by Greenthink

Plus the vast majority of americans see right thru this B.S.They don't want their children subjected to this kind of manipulative-coercive crap.There are plenty of other sports where this stuff would not be tolerated for one minute.
And seeing that it takes alot of money to travel for international competition, the higher the income the higher the education (generally)and people's understanding is more sophisticated,they see right thru the moonies.
And wrestlers,seeing they are the fighters they are aren't going to subject themselves to some de-humanizing,subserviant,quasi-religous bull,just to compete in a goof-ball infested sport.( At least on any great basis).

And last but not least,bowing IS against the Tenents of Judism, Christianity and Islam.

Hello?

So, is this some religious fear you have? That would explain the fanatical, irrational attitude. You sound like a cultist. You really do. At the very best you are out of your mind. And your obsession is tiring.

btw, don't lump wrestlers all in one group. Certainly not in your obsessive lunatic group. Most wrestlers are secure and intelligent enough to put things in context and to accept simple gestures without the existential terror that has gripped you.

[Greenthink]

So not all wrestlers find that it matters and they compete anyway.Which is what the reality is. But maybe it bothers some O.K.?


? Why,do I seem a little extreme?


What other venues ,besides judo, do wrestlers have after college if they still want to compete.How come,there being thousands of high school and college wrestlers so few play judo. Could I be partly right?

If I am only partly right about any of this it still makes me right.

Plus there aren't any other explanations.If any of what I say is true, it needs to addressed,and would lead to better a judo situation here in the U.S.

Why do you see anything wrong with the U.S. not placing in the last Olympics?

[Greenthink]

What I am trying to say is that:

# 1 We need more people involved with the sport of Judo.
a. So that it is more mainstream.
b. And we have more competitors.
c. And we have more participants.
d. And we win more.
#2 We need to modernize judo
a.So we win more often.
b.Reflect the 21st century.
c.Take advantage of modern technology.
d.Allow more people to enjoy the sport.

[IPON]

Originally Posted by Greenthink

You guys act like I don't know what I'm talking about..

Sorry dude we are not acting you don't.

Originally Posted by Greenthink

My old Judo coach sued the national Judo oranizations to get rid of the bowing to the mat. They spent $300.000 to defend bowing to the mat.This shows where their priorities lie.This was money that could have/should have been spent towards athlete development.Need I say more.

Guess what the US is the land of litigation, you can sue for anything. A group of people got together and recently sued McDonalds for being fat bastards.

Your logic is completely flawed as I have stated repeatedly, you critisize the judo orgs for defending themselves Were were your coaches priorities to file a suit. Did he have thousands of names on a petition indicating that they agreed with his position. Or did he have a warped self-riteous stance about what HE considered proper. I am sure he knew this would be fought and would waste time and money for what?? And he lost!! I believe you said as a result bowing is not forced becuase of the potential for additional law suits from somoen silly like yhour instructor well has Judo improved no....do people still bow yes...do people still hate your instructor for being a jerk I can only imagine.

In NYC I remember about a year ago a community group sued store owners for awnings hanging outside the stores. Now no one cared about the awning only a few ppl becuase they was not uniform in color and aesthetic. OK After a long court battle they dug upo some ancient law and won....but for what it did not change the amount of crime or quality of life in the neiborhood

Originally Posted by Greenthink

There isn't really such a thing as brainwashing is there?

Of course you are living proof.

Originally Posted by Greenthink

And just because there are three differant national judo oranizations,why,that doesn't mean they are power hungry now does it?

Yes of course, they are making money, what organization does not. The US is also the land of capitalism where business ethics is an oximoron...but what is your point. What does that have to do with bowing or the quality of Judo in the US

[IPON]

Originally Posted by Greenthink

What I am trying to say is that:

# 1 We need more people involved with the sport of Judo.
a. So that it is more mainstream.
b. And we have more competitors.
c. And we have more participants.
d. And we win more.
#2 We need to modernize judo
a.So we win more often.
b.Reflect the 21st century.
c.Take advantage of modern technology.
d.Allow more people to enjoy the sport.

Yes this makes sense..agreed

[IPON]

[quote=Greenthink]So not all wrestlers find that it matters and they compete anyway.Which is what the reality is. But maybe it bothers some O.K.?


? Why,do I seem a little extreme?

Originally Posted by Greenthink

What other venues ,besides judo, do wrestlers have after college if they still want to compete.How come,there being thousands of high school and college wrestlers so few play judo. Could I be partly right??

Look there are a lot of reasons some wreslters compete through the early 20's and quite honestly they get tired of competition and the extra effort it requires so they may take judo but not be interested in competitions. Due to the extensive use of ne waza wrestlers probably gravitate to BJJ also. Oishi Sensi who I studied under was also a wreslter and it was a good fit for me.

Its so funny but you talk about bowing go to any dojo, dojang, kwoon and you will bow or leave due to your disrespect. You say that judo tries to brainwash with religion and then you bring up how YOUR religious principles should be respected.

Originally Posted by Greenthink

If I am only partly right about any of this it still makes me right.

Well I think you are a nut, so if I am only partly right that makes me right.
Dude I do actually think you are smarter than this, but you refuse to hang on to these silly thought that were garlic pressed into your head

Originally Posted by Greenthink

Why do you see anything wrong with the U.S. not placing in the last Olympics?

I agree it is disturbing but your rationale is even more disturbing