Exaggerating about testicle squeeze?

[gregimotis]

Originally Posted by Garland

...a lying, cheating, lesbian...I don't think the friendship's going to work either.

I reckon not.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by gregimotis

I reckon not.

.......And this makes you happy for Garland? I can see how this could be taken several ways.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Garland

If gay guys weren't noticeably just as bad or worse when it comes to that shit....

How do you know this is true?

Its like saying all women are a certain way.

[Garland]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

How do you know this is true?

Its like saying all women are a certain way.

The vast majority of the gay guys I know gossip and keep shit from each other. And I did say all women...in my experience...are that way.

Maybe I'm just really bitter right now, who knows. I'd like to be wrong.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Garland

The vast majority of the gay guys I know gossip and keep shit from each other..

That sucks. Well, I guess you have to get to know them better before you decide you want to be true friends with them, huh.

Originally Posted by Garland

And I did say all women...in my experience...are that way. Maybe I'm just really bitter right now, who knows. I'd like to be wrong.

You're statement is accurate and maybe you're hurt, but your scope is a bit narrow.

Have you been with a woman who deserved every right to be on a pedestal in terms of beauty, intelligence, morality & personality?

Well they do exist. There could be one on this forum, bro.

Its a mixed blessing: you get a wonderful woman........

who raises the hoop and standards that you hold other women too

[Sagacious Lu]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Have you been with a woman who deserved to be on a pedestal in terms of beauty, intelligence, morality and personality ?

If so, she pretty much screwed it up for the others...LOL.

Nobody, and I mean ABSO-F@#!IN'-LUTELY NOBODY deserves to be put on a pedestal because we've all got our issues and flaws. It's just not fair to the other person because they're only human so inevitably they will fall short of your expectations. That goes double for members of the opposite sex because if you're putting them on a pedestal than you're not being honest with yourself about who they really are. If you can't accept them for who they are (just as flawed and screwed up in their own way as every other human being) than you're not in love with them, you're in love with the *idea* of who you want them to be. That always leads to heart ache and hard feelings.

*Walks off whistling "My Angel is a Centerfold" by J. Geils Band*

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Sagacious Lu

Nobody, and I mean ABSO-F@#!IN'-LUTELY NOBODY deserves to be put on a pedestal because we've all got our issues and flaws.

Some women (in my life) deserve to be put on a pedestal, Lu, in spite of her flaws.

Women have flaws. These flaws are particular to the woman involved - but as long as these flaws are not functionally destructive to a healthy relationship AND she's a beautiful, gracious and loving person - she deserves it in my book.

If she earns the pedasatal - and by earn I mean its just part of her inherent good, kind-hearted nature, she deserves it.

Originally Posted by Sagacious Lu

It's just not fair to the other person because they're only human so inevitably they will fall short of your expectations. That goes double for members of the opposite sex because if you're putting them on a pedestal than you're not being honest with yourself about who they really are. .

Lu, I've been lucky enough to really get to know a special woman at one time. In exchange, this person got to know me.

I cannot begin to describe how genuine, honest and loving she was. I took the good with the bad and have to say the good outweighed it by far.

I'll initially give a woman the benefit of the doubt cause I'm a nice guy. And if being a good natured, reciprocating guy ain't enough for her, I'll be man enough to step up and say its not going to work.

Originally Posted by Sagacious Lu

If you can't accept them for who they are (just as flawed and screwed up in their own way as every other human being) than you're not in love with them, you're in love with the *idea* of who you want them to be. That always leads to heart ache and hard feelings.

Accepting this woman for who she is was the easiest part, Lu.

She was just that good of a person. I won't get into more personal stuff, but I'll say in terms of overall relationship quality she was just a cut above.

Originally Posted by Sagacious Lu

*Walks off whistling "My Angel is a Centerfold" by J. Geils Band*

Proper.

She used to get stopped by scouts from modelling agencies at the mall and at major events.

[Tom Yum]

PS - Gregi: this thread has gone from testicular squeezing to quality in women.

If that isn't high brow, I don't know what is.

[Sagacious Lu]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Accepting this women for who she is was the easiest part, Lu. She was just that good. I won't get into more personal stuff, but I'll say in terms of overall relationship quality she was just a cut above.

Fair play man, you're certainly entitled to your view, just watch out because it sucks when you find out too late that they weren't "exaggerating about testcle squeeze"

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Sagacious Lu

Fair play man, you're certainly entitled to your view, just watch out because it sucks when you find out too late that they weren't "exaggerating about testcle squeeze"

Thanks for that analogy, Lu. I'm glad for your concern too. Getting a physical will never be the same for me now that you mentioned it...

Bad women make the good ones shine higher and brighter.

[Sagacious Lu]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Thanks for that analogy, Lu. I'm glad for your concern too. Getting a physical will never be the same for me now that you mentioned it...

LOLOLOL... sorry, I couldn't resist the play on words.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Sagacious Lu

LOLOLOL... sorry, I couldn't resist the play on words.

Damn inertia.

PS - Lu, most women kick themselves to the curb and never reach even the bottom of the pedastal based on simple personality traits...........and I ain't picky

[nordmann]

Technical difficulties--sorry...

[nordmann]

GenJaneu, I apologize on behalf of the many who did not take your question seriously.

The short answer to your question is that if you squeeze a man's testicle with even half the force that an average woman's hand can squeeze with, it is going to completely incapacitate him unless he is on some sort of serious anesthetic drug. And even then, I'm not sure. I heard from a guy who got hit with a paint-ball (not even ruptured) who said that the strongest painkillers the hospital had didn't completely stop the pain--if he wasn't knocked out cold, he was still in agony. If you can can crush a half-ripe plum or apricot in your fingers, then you can squeeze hard enough to rupture a testicle, and no man--not even one doped up on PCP--can continue to do anything after that injury.

I've read quite a few postings in various places saying something to the effect that groin attacks aren't as effective as what you see on TV. That's total, ridiculous BS. Why do men say that? Are they scared to admit that they have this weakness? Do they want to risk getting hit there as a "prank", since it's "not really all that painful"? In reality, it's only on TV that guys who get hit there with a full-force soccer kick just grunt, make a funny face, and then go on fighting three seconds later. A forceful kick there is going to drop a man for five or ten minutes, and when he does manage to stand back up again on his weak, wobbling legs, fighting is going to be the last thing on his mind. That's if it doesn't hospitalize him, which it very well could do.

Yes, there are guys who are into "ballbusting", who enjoy having a woman hit them there. But we're talking light to moderate blows. Even the most hardened masochist can't take a forceful blow there without suffering the usual effects. And as long as he's crumpled to the ground in a helpless, harmless, motionless pile, and you get away unharmed, who gives a crap whether he "enjoyed" it.

What women don't understand is that there is a lot more than just pain involved in a groin strike. There is something about it that literally paralizes men, and this paralysis can even extend to our diaphram, which makes it almost impossible to even breathe. With other types of pain, you can at least keep breathing and moving around, but not after a kick to the nuts. I don't understand why, but it feels as if your central nervous system goes into some partially-disabled state, and no matter how much you want to recover, stand up, pretend you're OK, and take the pain like a man, you can't, because you are physically unable to exert more than the tiniest force through your limbs--especially your legs.

I've been kneed there once, and slapped there once. Neither time was a hard blow--more of a very light blow, really. If I'd been a woman, I probably would barely have noticed. The knee happened when I was a boy, and it made me turn around and quietly find a place to sit down for a while to ponder whether taunting that girl was such a good idea after all.

The slap came when I was an adult, and it was delivered by a girlfriend who was physically abusive to me, and who injured me on several occasions. That slap seriously hurt. I was on the ground for what seemed like hours, I could only dimly hear things, and my vision was going dim with brown spots. I could barely breathe except in tiny gulps of air, and I couldn't move my legs appreciably. The pain was indescribable. It was a creeping, dull ache, and I felt it in almost my entire body. At one point if felt as if I was about to vomit. It may not have been the worst sheer level of pain I've ever felt, but as an overall sensation, I can't think of anything I've lived through that was as unpleasant, intimidating, and disabling as that. I don't want to even try to contemplate what a ruptured testicle would feel like. I'm guessing that if I had to choose, I would rather just end it all than experience a rupture.

All that said, the testicle squeeze is something that rarely happens in a fight situation. They are as slippery as fish inside that little bag, and men usually don't just hold still while you fumble around with their testicles trying to get a solid hold of one. A few other posters said as much. If you're trying to do this through a pair of pants--especially baggy jeans or something like that, grabbing a guys balls gets even more difficult. I would second the notion that a quick slap would work much better.

So don't do the squeeze. Give the balls some impact instead. Do the slap, knee, kick, heel, punch, elbow, or whatever. If you do it, do it fast, and do it hard. Make sure you connect with the testicles (not just the penis), and that you connect with more than just a tap. If you do this, you have just won the fight, hands down.

He might be expecting you to try it, though, so distract him first by making it look as if you're going to go for his eyes or throat. The nice thing about the groin is that it's all the way down there, and so men have to defend two entirely seperate areas, both of which are vulnerable to low-force strikes that an untrained person has a reasonable chance of pulling off. As a woman, you have only one severely vulnerable area to defend, and it happens to be right near where you arms attach to your body. You'd be stupid not to take advantage of this basic strategic advantage.

I wonder how many women's self-defense programs teach techniques carried over from traditional MA that were originally developed by men, who developed the positions, strikes, and blocks they use under the restriction that they could do nothing that would leave the testicles open for a strike.

[Garland]

You underestimate the ability of the mind to block out pain under extreme circumstances...and overestimate the effectiveness of a strike to the groin. I have seen case studies about people who have gone so far over the edge that they inflict extreme genital mutilation. You look at the anatomy of the male genetalia...the glans tends to be very sensitive, there is a large dorsal vein on the underbelly of the shaft...which is far less sensitive to pain, and the testicles...which are also very sensitive. The balls are a harder target then the whole front area, there is a great chance of missing or glancing the target, and grabing the balls is pretty hard to do through jeans or pants.

Despite this...people can take a whole hell of alot of pain under the right amount of duress...or excitement. If somebody is really jaded, and used to extreme pressure or pain to that area, they might even enjoy coming close to the area where irreperable damage is done. If you don't believe me...I could post several links to fetish sites, and fem dom shit...but it would seriously jeapordize my membership to this forum.

What I will post this; stun gun to the nuts...and getting up within 45 seconds or just running around in pain. Certainly not the 5 minutes you propose. And perhaps something you could fight through in the right circumstances.


stun gun to the balls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jvA4yMKde8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9vag4ziPU4