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Old 12-07-2006, 06:35 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Exaggerating about testicle squeeze?

I know, I know it's no one stop solution; but I've heard conflicting advice/opinions on groin techniques, especially a "testicle squeeze".

Obviously one would hope to stop things before they get so far, but I was told by a self-defense instructor that if it got to the point where the guy was naked and on top of me, if I managed to get hold of one of his testicles and squeezed it as hard as I could & kept squeezing, he would just pass out cold after 10-20 seconds; in the intervening time while he was still conscious he would be helplessly doubled over in pain & unable to do anything.

I've also had guys tell me that was bullshit, and if anyone did it to them it would be excruciating but not incapacitating, and if the guy wasn't going to kill me before, he surely would after I did something like that.

Again, I know there are no guarantees, but what's the consensus? If it's gone so far that I'm pinned with no other good choices/opportunities, is it "MOST LIKELY" that the testicle squeeze will actually totally incapacitate the guy, or most likely it will infuriate him further?

In general, is it practical to hope to really incapacitate a guy with a groin attack, or are those just mostly openers for combination techniques, as I have also heard?

Any real-life experiences appreciated. I've had enough guys tell me what they think without actually having the experience, and I'm not about to try it out on a friend!

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Old 12-07-2006, 09:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Theres a recent story from Liverpool in England where a guys ex ripped one of his off and tried to eat it!

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you obviously didnt see my monkey steals the peach thread.
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if you're pinned down..... wouldn't it be hard to pull off the testicle squeeze....?

i've never had it done to me.... but i would figure it to be very painful but not incapacitating... plus if you're just there holding on, the attacker could be dropping punches, elbows, etc...
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if you're pinned down..... wouldn't it be hard to pull off the testicle squeeze....?

i've never had it done to me.... but i would figure it to be very painful but not incapacitating... plus if you're just there holding on, the attacker could be dropping punches, elbows, etc...


It's not too difficult to "test" these theories and techniques.

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Here is a serious response for you Gen,
First off you are shutting down an entire side of your body from being able to defend if you go for the groin and plan on holding onto it. I 100% guarantee that one of the first reactions from a male would be to hit the one trying to squeeze his groin. In this case you would have one less arm to help defend. I could see a female getting knocked out especially if a grown male is already on top. Which leads me to my question for you: If you were squeezing and the man on top started hammering you in the face would you continue to hold on? I would assume the retractionary response would kick in and you would go into defensive, not offensive mode; this is common in all humans. The male that is getting his groin area squeezed knows it is either submit or fight and I would be willing to be 98% of the time he would want to fight. Now, in a calm state this is another story. If a female grabs onto a males genitalia without any warning she is by far in control. Now onto my next point:

There are extremely sick people out there that actually get off on women doing genital manipulation to their genitalia. I am venturing a guess that if a male was trying to rape another female they may easily be one of these sickos. In this case you may simply turn them on more rather than deter them.

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I'm not so sure a testicle squeeze is the most efficient thing to do.

One summer I worked at a fire station where the paramedics informed me that a man can be KILLED by a strike to the groin. One needs to of course keep them from curling up into the fetal position to keep the bleeding perpetuating but that's always nice to know, eh?

Don't under rate the strike to the groin, yes, it is excruciating for a man to be struck there. Excruciating is a strong word. If you can get a strike to the groin then take it, and then run.
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You could always practice on yourself...jk.

Besides what is there to gain about exaggerating on the testicle squeez, when we know its more fun to exaggerate about testicle size (during the winter)
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The best strategy is to develop a more extensive repertoire of such techniques and targets and not simply focus on just one.

Various and different strikes to the groin area (testicles) are fine but not always the best course of action depending on circumstances. A good repertoire would also include a variety of strikes to the rectum, ears, eyes, throat, and various other body parts known to be more sensitive and "weaker" parts of the body.

BTW, Dick, did you post that book scan for humor? That ninja "stealing the peach" is leaving himself wide open for a swift rear left leg kick to the head. Kinda hard to deliver your chi and stop your opponents heart when you're KTFO'd.
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One summer I worked at a fire station where the paramedics informed me that a man can be KILLED by a strike to the groin.
to be honest, death is a possibility anytime you attack a vital organ.
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as for that pic, it was in a real book. its a real technique, and id seen that actual pic in a book at barnes and nobles one time. so i typed the name of the technique into google and that pic came right up. i forgot which book that was from, it may have been a stephen k hayes book.
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to be honest, death is a possibility anytime you attack a vital organ.
hmmmm, many male individuals in many different species do very well without them...vital...dunno
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could it be that you are a bit envious ?
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could it be that you are a bit envious ?
Next thing we'll be discussing "womb envy". Look up Karen Horney.

And...sometimes it's NICE to have testicles tugged on a bit.
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nah. Id argue that it's nicer when they're bouncing off something when the frank is inside something else. In terms of the testicle strike, I've been sack tapped by a spinning sidekick while sparring before (don't ask me why I wasn't wearing a cup), and it hurts. I'd say it would incapacitate the man in pain, but only temporarily. The grab might actually be less effective than the strike, but again, it is still painful, and depending on the man, he can either keel over, or become angrier and more aggressive.
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