Women: Importance of reality-based training

[treelizard]

that was really mediocre jits

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by cqdtonline

Anything to add to the above discussion jubaji? You seem to be all over this forum it would be good to hear your thoughts.

I think women, like men, should develop the widest - and preferably deepest - set of skills they can. I don't think it is a good idea to neglect any particular area just because some asshole on the internet has an agenda to sell. Circumstance, opportunity, and personal preference tend to result in individuals having a stronger set of skills in one area than another, but the impotance of comprehensive skills holds nonetheless.

In addition to working on a variety of skills, it is essential to actually test those skills before spouting off about having any particular ability with them.

[cqdtonline]

There he is, well stated

Originally Posted by jubaji

In addition to working on a variety of skills, it is essential to actually test those skills before spouting off about having any particular ability with them.

Go tell that to the police officer who has trained to kill with his gun, or the martial artist who has trained to kill with a sword, or other weapons. Or to the martial artist who has learned techniques that will kill, with his hands using techniques that have been proven to work in actual war and real life survival combat in the past.

Your argument is not wise and it seems you are in a wrong understanding of these things.

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

techniques that will kill.

This part says it all. This is why you are a LARPing fool.

Originally Posted by jubaji

This part says it all. This is why you are a LARPing fool.

Yes, techniques that when applied properly will kill and were designer for combat

So what are you saying?

[Sagacious Lu]

Originally Posted by treelizard

that was really mediocre jits

I figured as much. Do you think that has more to do with the quality of instruction at that gym or the inexperience of the people training? Either way I think rolling is a great way to build the fundamental skills necessary to gain the favorable positioning that is critical to surviving a fight that goes to the ground. I'm certainly not suggesting that BJJ (or grappling in general) is the be-all-end-all of martial arts but it would be foolish to dismiss the superlative fundamental skills and attributes that it excels in. Personally I'm highly suspicious of any ideology that doesn't recognize this- regardless of the gender or training goals of the people who wish to train.

[treelizard]

Well at my gym, and I think probably a lot of gyms, two brand new people would probably not get paired up together. Someone with more experience will get paired with a newer person. They don't usually teach but they may give you a few pointers.

For me I try to be really proactive about it so I'll decide ahead of time what I want to work on in case they ask, so I'll be able to say I want to work on passing guard or holding side mount or whatever. If they don't ask I just figure it out on my own--depending on who I'm with, their skill level, strengths, etc. I'll decide what one to three things I want to work on during the roll. That way I usually end up feeling more confident; like I still got worked but I did a good job of doing x, y or z. Or if I was entirely unsuccessful break it down to a few things I kept getting caught in over and over again and make a note of them. Then if I'm in class early or late one day or everyone else is taking a break I can ask someone "what drill can I work on to get past butterfly guard?" Also that's when I might start watching closely if I see someone caught in similar positions on a video somewhere, or while watching some fights, and see what they do. Of course bjj and mma are different animals, but it always gives me something to try.

I can't judge the quality of instruction at the gym but it did seem that neither of those players knew what they were doing. The guy could have gotten a RNC like five zillion times and the gal didn't even know the most basic of moves.

beginningbjj.com is a great resource

But it could be that they were both brand new and the coach wanted to see where they were at. why they videotaped it, though, is beyond me

[Sagacious Lu]

Originally Posted by treelizard

Well at my gym, and I think probably a lot of gyms, two brand new people would probably not get paired up together. Someone with more experience will get paired with a newer person. They don't usually teach but they may give you a few pointers.

For me I try to be really proactive about it so I'll decide ahead of time what I want to work on in case they ask, so I'll be able to say I want to work on passing guard or holding side mount or whatever. If they don't ask I just figure it out on my own--depending on who I'm with, their skill level, strengths, etc. I'll decide what one to three things I want to work on during the roll. That way I usually end up feeling more confident; like I still got worked but I did a good job of doing x, y or z. Or if I was entirely unsuccessful break it down to a few things I kept getting caught in over and over again and make a note of them. Then if I'm in class early or late one day or everyone else is taking a break I can ask someone "what drill can I work on to get past butterfly guard?" Also that's when I might start watching closely if I see someone caught in similar positions on a video somewhere, or while watching some fights, and see what they do. Of course bjj and mma are different animals, but it always gives me something to try.

I can't judge the quality of instruction at the gym but it did seem that neither of those players knew what they were doing. The guy could have gotten a RNC like five zillion times and the gal didn't even know the most basic of moves.

beginningbjj.com is a great resource

But it could be that they were both brand new and the coach wanted to see where they were at. why they videotaped it, though, is beyond me

Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. It sounds like you've got a good thing going on at your gym

[treelizard]

Thanks. Yeah I love my gym. Also we only roll for a little bit each class; there is a huge teaching/drilling component. I always try to incorporate whatever we drilled into the live roll if I can. Good stuff.

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

So what are you saying?

Last chance: 'Techniques' don't do ANYTHING by themselves...

[mellow]

Originally Posted by jubaji

Last chance: 'Techniques' don't do ANYTHING by themselves...

And the Best Post of the Day goes to. . . . . .

Originally Posted by jubaji

Last chance: 'Techniques' don't do ANYTHING by themselves...

What? Are you older than 12? I know that, I am obviously speaking about the techniques being done properly by a master of Kung Fu. Not some technique by itself. Man, you are like a little kid, who has to have everything spelled out for them.

Or like a mocker who grasp at straw to continue his mocking.

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I am obviously speaking about the techniques being done properly by a master of Kung Fu.

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LARPerific!

[cqdtonline]

So what do you all think is a good starting point for women new to self defense? Assuming they want to learn for the purpose OF self defense and not for sport.

Anyone know women who have started in different arenas and care to share?