W.S.D Training from the guard position

[shaolin-warrior]

Lets’ face it; the guard position is the final frontier on which you have to make a stand before penetration in a sexual assault. This is the most essential part of your physical training, by this point you may have already sustained some physical injuries, your energy resources may be close to depletion, and your ability to rationalize or identify a viable target at this point is dim at best thru the tunnel vision. You need to train for these conditions, at some point your attacker will have to use a hand to undo his pants, or adjust position from half to full guard, at some point you’ll have to be ready to make a move or fall victim to rape; this will require some sort of energy reserve and a predetermined attack plan. So while your training with your stand up game, delivering knee and elbow strikes, practicing your under hook and seat belt takedowns, remember in a split second you can end up on the losing end of an exchange. Remember, “For how we train so shall we fight”.

[Hardball]

In my opinion it's best to leave womans rape prevention issues to those who have professional certification in the topic. Suppose your techniques fail and your student gets raped anyway? Suppose they contract HIV due to failed techniques? What if the perpetrator is attempting Sodomy, then the guard techniques are useless.

It's a touchy and sensitive subject probably best taught by Women with Professional Certification.

You could get sued. What's worse, think of the guilt you would feel if your techniques failed.

Just saying you know? Something to think about.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Hardball

In my opinion it's best to leave womans rape prevention issues to those who have professional certification in the topic. Suppose your techniques fail and your student gets raped anyway? Suppose they contract HIV due to failed techniques? What if the perpetrator is attempting Sodomy, then the guard techniques are useless.

It's a touchy and sensitive subject probably best taught by Women with Professional Certification.

You could get sued. What's worse, think of the guilt you would feel if your techniques failed.

Just saying you know? Something to think about.

I can see how jiu-jitsu would be very useful for fending off a rape attempt - granted I'm not certified as a rape prevention instructor, but I think it would be a good start.

Add to it, the course would have to be longer than just one weekend of practice. I would imagine that women in a rape prevention class would probably have to work against some real resistance, perhaps a guy in one of those padded suits - so they can strike/kick full force and still work on grappling.

[shaolin-warrior]

Hardball,
I agree with you to an extent, but too many women's self defense classes are Krav Maga basics in disguise. And there is nothing wrong with that, it's an effective system in the right hands. Women need to know that a weak attempt at a knee or elbow will put them on the ground in an instant. It was more thought provocation than offering prevention advice. It's better to train for the eventuality and fail then to avoid the obvious and hope it doesn't happen. We currently have one certified police combatives instructor on staff and he handles our reality based self defense training. He is certified to teach the L.O.C.K.U.P. System, as well as anti terrorism and violent crime prevention. He's ex military and a full time police instructor in Ct. As well as a swat team member. I hope to have my certification by next spring, but am a candidate for my 3rd degree, hhopeing to catch the January test cycle. thats consuming most of my my time right now.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

I can see how jiu-jitsu would be very useful for fending off a rape attempt - granted I'm not certified as a rape prevention instructor, but I think it would be a good start.

Add to it, the course would have to be longer than just one weekend of practice. I would imagine that women in a rape prevention class would probably have to work against some real resistance, perhaps a guy in one of those padded suits - so they can strike/kick full force and still work on grappling.

The first rule of unarmed combat is to arm yourself.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by shaolin-warrior

Hardball,
I hope to have my certification by next spring, but am a candidate for my 3rd degree, hopeing to catch the January test cycle.

If I remember correctly we got our Nidan's around the same time. I hope to be eligible for Sandan in July. Good luck to you.

[shaolin-warrior]

To you too! I check your website.....I like the videos, I wish I was closer I'd sign up.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by shaolin-warrior

To you too! I check your website.....I like the videos, I wish I was closer I'd sign up.

Thanks, that means a lot coming from a Black Belt.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Hardball

The first rule of unarmed combat is to arm yourself.

Alot of times, we can't have our weapon of choice with us.

For instance, I think it is illegal to carry a concealed firearm in certain establishments that make more than 50% of revenues from alcohol sales (depends on state) as well as airports, schools, hospitals and other places. If you are patted down prior to entry, you won't be able to readily carry an edged weapon, unless your really clever at hiding and willing to break the law. That leaves you with whatever can be used inside the establishment, should you find yourself trying to protect yourself or others from serious injury from another.

If they can't bring it in to the establishment, they may not have it leaving the bar, airport, school and entering the car either.

When you shower, you're probably not wearing a sling with a condition 1, AK-47 or M-4 attached to it or your holster with whatever your choice pistol in cond.1. You're in a confined space and can't hear noises as well.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Alot of times, we can't have our weapon of choice with us.

For instance, I think it is illegal to carry a concealed firearm in certain establishments that make more than 50% of revenues from alcohol sales (depends on state) as well as airports, schools, hospitals and other places. If you are patted down prior to entry, you won't be able to readily carry an edged weapon, unless your really clever at hiding and willing to break the law. That leaves you with whatever can be used inside the establishment, should you find yourself trying to protect yourself or others from serious injury from another.

If they can't bring it in to the establishment, they may not have it leaving the bar, airport, school and entering the car either.

When you shower, you're probably not wearing a sling with a condition 1, AK-47 or M-4 attached to it or your holster with whatever your choice pistol in cond.1. You're in a confined space and can't hear noises as well.

I understand your point but what's to stop a rape attempt victim from picking up a bottle, a brick, a hand full of dirt or even smashing someone in the head with a iron. Hell, your kitchen or Hotel room can be full of weapons of opportunity.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Hardball

I understand your point but what's to stop a rape attempt victim from picking up a bottle, a brick, a hand full of dirt or even smashing someone in the head with a iron. Hell, your kitchen or Hotel room can be full of weapons of opportunity.

Improvised weapons are a good idea.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Improvised weapons are a good idea.

The only other option is to get skilled at a Martial Art. Our association (American Jujitsu Association) is full of female martial artists. Fist, Feet, Elbows and Knees may be the only weapons available.

[shaolin-warrior]

and a good understanding of the ground game. ie. scissor sweep, arm bar from a choke......

[Tokyo Kid]

Originally Posted by Hardball

In my opinion it's best to leave womans rape prevention issues to those who have professional certification in the topic. Suppose your techniques fail and your student gets raped anyway? Suppose they contract HIV due to failed techniques? What if the perpetrator is attempting Sodomy, then the guard techniques are useless.

It's a touchy and sensitive subject probably best taught by Women with Professional Certification.

You could get sued. What's worse, think of the guilt you would feel if your techniques failed.

Just saying you know? Something to think about.

Is there actually a Rape Prevention Certificate? What exactly are you refering to? Why would this be better than regular effective martial arts training, and why should it be taught by a woman?

[evisla]

Originally Posted by shaolin-warrior

Hardball,
I agree with you to an extent, but too many women's self defense classes are Krav Maga basics in disguise. And there is nothing wrong with that, it's an effective system in the right hands. Women need to know that a weak attempt at a knee or elbow will put them on the ground in an instant. It was more thought provocation than offering prevention advice. It's better to train for the eventuality and fail then to avoid the obvious and hope it doesn't happen. We currently have one certified police combatives instructor on staff and he handles our reality based self defense training. He is certified to teach the L.O.C.K.U.P. System, as well as anti terrorism and violent crime prevention. He's ex military and a full time police instructor in Ct. As well as a swat team member. I hope to have my certification by next spring, but am a candidate for my 3rd degree, hhopeing to catch the January test cycle. thats consuming most of my my time right now.

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